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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Then to be honest, if professional indemnity is not required, she is not independent of the organisation and as a lawyer, she should know that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: I do not want to discuss it, but it is clear-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am sorry but Ms Mullooly is here on our terms. Masquerading as an independent legal practice when she does not have independent clients other than RTÉ, it is fair to say she is not an independent-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: I asked the question. Ms Mullooly answered it. She does not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Excuse me, Cathaoirleach.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Stop the clock if the Cathaoirleach is going to question.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: The Cathaoirleach had better stop the clock, please. I have had the answer I want.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is a fudge in regard to what it bears witness to, which is the release of a document where client privilege can be waived by Mr. Bakhurst. Now, I will ask again. I started this morning on the basis of Mr. Bakhurst's assertion that Mr. Tubridy had a moral obligation to repay the money. Everybody on this committee agrees with me. We represent the public. That is a fair percentage of...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Does that mean Mr. Bakhurst has not changed his mind?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: He has not changed his mind.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am not finished, Chair. I have another minute. In that meeting, there were four people, Dee Forbes, Noel Kelly and his colleague, Niamh, and Trish Whelan from the RTÉ legal department. On what basis is Mr. Bakhurst claiming legal privilege? What capacity did Trish Whelan hold? What advice was she giving?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: The client no longer-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Going back to his moral obligation, Ryan Tubridy and Noel Kelly came before this committee and waived their privilege. Mr. Bakhurst was the very person who asserted Ryan Tubridy's moral obligation, yet he is failing to assert his own.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: On the record, he is saying that he does not have a moral obligation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: I do not agree.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: We have to have Uisce Éireann come before the committee to counteract what might be said about the delays in providing social housing. Often the utility companies are blamed so they will need to be here.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: If not, one will make an excuse over the other.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: We also have to have accountability for the central funding of local authorities. It is a €6 billion fund. We are intent on discussing moving accountability to the Comptroller and Auditor General. This is the premise for the discussion, if the Cathaoirleach recalls.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: If anything comes up, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am not sure whether I may raise an issue relating to this morning's session with RTÉ.

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