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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: As usual, the list of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. Moving on to item three, which is correspondence, items that are not flagged for discussion at this meeting will be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been circulated. Decisions taken by the committee in relation to the correspondence are recorded in the minutes of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Deputy James O'Connor, who is not present at this point, flagged this item for discussion. If any other committee member wishes to come in on that, they should feel free to do so. It is item No. R2272B and it deals with the issue of wastewater treatment plants provided by developers that have not been taken in charge and what happens there. There is an update on a number of matters the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: My views on this are well known over the past 14 years and I think the Deputy's are as well. I mean no disrespect to the people in Uisce Éireann but I think this was a bad day's work. The reason given at the time was that cross-county infrastructure has been dealt with very simply to date by way of memorandums of understanding between local authorities, but it could also have been...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Deputy. No. 2288B, from Ms Fiona Ross, group chair of CIÉ, dated 19 December, provides information requested by the committee on the CIÉ pension scheme. I propose we note and publish the item. Is that agreed? Agreed. I flagged the item for discussion becuase this is a public body with a pension scheme and the population at large would think a pension scheme at...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: A couple of decades ago, there was a feeling that those who were on those pension schemes, who did not get the State pension but had this employment pension into which people paid a lot of money over the years, were well looked after, but in this case those who are the lowest-paid workers in CIÉ are the most significantly affected. It is my understanding they are coming out worst off in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Bord na Móna pensioners receive both the superannuation scheme and the State pension, and while the superannuation scheme might be only €100 or €150 per week, they are still a lot better off than these workers. We will seek the views of the Minister and put those points to him. Because it is these people's sole income, it is a very difficult situation and something has to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Is it agreed that we note and publish the correspondence and seek that follow-up information? Agreed. We move on to category C, which is correspondence from and related to private individuals and any other correspondence. No. 2283 is from Deputy Alan Dillon and is dated 14 December. It contains a proposal regarding the committee's meeting with the FAI, Sport Ireland and the Department...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: I notice Deputy Dillon has just come online. As this is his letter, does he want to speak to it?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Is that agreed? Agreed. We can come back to this issue. The next correspondence is No. 2306 from an individual and is dated 10 January 2024. It relates to the delivery of the Kolbe Special School in Portlaoise, County Laois. The committee considered previous correspondence from the same person at a meeting on 23 March and in private session on 20 April. The matter was forwarded to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Yes. It is a matter of moving things around to accommodate everyone.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Is the Deputy requesting that representation because of the joined-up nature of the two bodies on this issue?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: I will put that to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Dillon has indicated.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Before asking Mr. McCarthy to respond, my concern is that any time we have had the HSE in, there are so many issues to discuss. We could spend a whole session on particular individual issues. It is important that we do not spread ourselves too thinly. Perhaps a separate hearing is more appropriate. Will the C and AG respond to Deputy Dillon's question on chapter 18?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: There has been a suggestion that we flag estates and capital works as an item on the agenda. Is that agreed? Agreed. As I said, the FAI representatives are not available to attend the meeting on 8 or 15 February. Are members happy to proceed with the proposal I outlined?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Representatives from An Garda Síochána have confirmed their availability, together with officials from the Department of Justice, on 21 March. For the meeting with the HSE and the Department of Health, we have added another item to the agenda, which is the issue relating to estates and capital works. On Deputy Verona Murphy's proposal that Tusla also be represented at that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: There is a slot on 29 February that we could request the Tusla representatives to attend. Am I right, however, that the Deputy is adamant that a Tusla representative should be here at the same time as the HSE officials?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: There are a number of moving parts to accommodate. We agreed previously that we would bring in the GSOC representatives and then the officials from the Department of Justice because of the issues that will arise through the meetings with An Garda Síochána and, separately, with GSOC. That meeting is scheduled for 15 February.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: Yes, the problem is that a lot of work has already been done in anticipation of that meeting. If we move it, that might affect the availability of those witnesses on another date.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Brian Stanley: We can ask an official from Tusla to attend on the same day as the officials from the Department of Health, if available, if the Deputy wants to address that specific issue with him or her. Would that be adequate?

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