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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That is the scoping of what it will look-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Is that the terms of reference, etc.?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Are they being internally set?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Would Mr. O'Reilly not ask Deloitte to do them, considering it was the one that stated the university really needed to get forensic verification?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Had the university to tender for somebody to set the terms of reference?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: In his opening statement, Professor Fitzgerald keeps using the word "grievance" rather than the word "disclosure" so that all these, A to Z, whoever they are, are people with grievances rather than people who are being of assistance in shining a light into dark corners? Why would Professor Fitzgerald not use the words "disclosure" and "assistance"? Why would we not be eternally grateful to...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Professor Fitzgerald also states in his opening-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That is all right, no problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Sure.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: They do not feel that. So many reports later, from Mazars, Deloitte, Crowe Horwath, the Thorn report and internal audit investigation, why are we still here if the terms of reference for these reports were correct? Why are whistleblowers still coming to us stating they are not happy?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Just one more after this and I will be finished. Is there not a basic fairness or justice issue when one looks at the packages provided for certain people who were exiting compared to those conscientious people who shone the light in the first place who are now on jobseeker's allowance? One more question, I promise.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I was here until 6.30 p.m. last week. I was cut short in the morning because members were rushing for votes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What is the issue of before lunch?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Then we do not have enough time. There are far too many issues to be dealt with here.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Can I ask so, if the Chairman wants them logged together? I will come back in the afternoon without difficulty and stay until 7 p.m. when Deputy Catherine Murphy is down in Kildare, if the Chairman likes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What we need is a full day on Limerick, if not a second day.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: We established earlier on that the Comptroller and Auditor General did not tell Professor Fitzgerald that there was no instance of fraud because it would not be his function. That is a matter of criminal law. Before the Protected Disclosures Act 2014, there was the Criminal Justice Act 2011. I presume that all the University of Limerick's policies must reflect the law in terms of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I am sure all the policies of the university have to be cognisant of the law of the land, in particular, the existence of the Criminal Justice Act 2011.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Is it correct that it was not from the Garda, funnily enough, just from retained paid legal advice?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Okay, but not from the Garda.

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