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An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: That is what he said.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: I did not interrupt Deputy Healy Rae.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: We have to pick a figure that is in proportion and in ratio to the existing number of Members.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: We are worried about you too, Joe.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: The Bill proposes to amend the Constitution to provide that not less than 14 serving Members of Dáil Éireann may nominate a candidate for President, so I suggest Deputy Kelleher did not read the Bill.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: It is that the 19 members of Fianna Fáil could not nominate a candidate.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: I am talking about the Bill before us. At present, a nomination under this provision requires not less than 20 Members of both Houses, so we are proposing 14.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: I am trying to facilitate Fianna Fáil. In fact, one would have thought the process was very cumbersome to get into the field but we had seven candidates in the last presidential election. I would not know how they got nominated at all if I were to listen to the Opposition. The qualification of nomination by four city or county councils will also remain as a nominating process.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: Deputy Higgins will agree we had a really good slate of candidates in terms of representing most views in Ireland.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: We had Michael D. Higgins, Seán Gallagher, Martin McGuinness, Gay Mitchell, David Norris, Dana-----

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: We had a good cross-section of people to choose from on the last occasion.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: The reduction in the number of Oireachtas Members required to nominate a presidential candidate arises from the proposal to abolish the Seanad, as well as the planned reduction in the number of Deputies after the next general election. The reduction proposed in the Bill will maintain the existing ratio between the overall number of Members and the number of nominations required to secure a...

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: The Deputy's party is the only one to have done that.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: A candidate can be nominated by four county councils.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: Céim an Choiste agus na Céimeanna a bheidh Fágtha - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: The Deputy would prefer a totalitarian regime.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Dara Céim (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: I thank all the Deputies who spoke for their contributions, either to the debate tonight or on previous occasions. The large number of speakers on all sides of the House is an indication of the importance of this Bill, no matter whether one agrees or disagrees with it. With such an extensive debate it is not possible to respond to every issue. I will try to deal with the main points that...

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Dara Céim (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: I will quote it.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Dara Céim (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: I will quote it.

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Dara Céim (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: Is the Deputy trying to abandon his party's manifesto already?

An Bille um an Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a Chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Dara Céim (Atógáil) - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (25 Jun 2013)

Phil Hogan: Very well, I am quoting from it:Much of the rationale for the inclusion of the Seanad in Bunreacht na hÉireann has ceased to be relevant over time. Serious questions will be asked about the continued role of an entity which is struggling to justify its existence after three-quarters of a century ... It is important to note that second chambers are not an essential part of parliamentary...

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