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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Well, I was not able to partake in the public consultation.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am sure public consultation is not meant just for those affected.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I could not partake because I could not understand the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I thank the Cathaoirleach.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I have a quick question with regard to how many actual immigration officers we have, and how they are dispersed. Ms McPhillips can probably submit that the committee; it is more to do with what we are seeing.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am, at all times, hearing that we do not have enough in Rosslare Europort, which is in my constituency. I am told that a request needs to be made to An Garda Síochána.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: When it comes to the national policing plan, is the Department of Justice party to advising Government with regard to Garda numbers?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: We have the lowest numbers per capitain Europe. It is very disturbing and concerning, and they are going in the wrong direction year on year. I am not putting Ms McPhillips on the spot, but we need-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: No, but I am wondering about advices. Surely Ms McPhillips is aware of that, and its-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is Ms McPhillips happy with the budget?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is grand. When we say that it is in place to recruit 1,000, we are not going to meet those targets. We did not meet last year's targets, or those of the year before.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Let us leave the pandemic aside. I am not going to beat around the bush. There is a serious issue. It is very concerning. I am sure Ms McPhillips is aware of it, and twice as concerned as I am.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: It does, but in the same vein, we are putting policies in place which, if I was joining An Garda Síochána, would make me look at them and say, "Rubbish, pension wise and transfer wise". I refer to the entirety of how we are recruiting gardaí at the moment. If there is a garda travelling from Wexford to Dundalk on a daily basis to cover his shift, there is something...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: No, I am asking what input Ms McPhillips has. Surely the buck must stop with her in the Department of Justice with regard to recruitment or policing plans.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: If we have no gardaí joining tomorrow-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Well, the target is 1,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Why are we making targets for 1,000 then?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: We probably should have 2,000, but we have set 1,000 with the hope of making it. I ask Ms McPhillips not to get me started. I am asking a very serious question. If we drop below 700, has she an active role? As the Secretary General of the Department of Justice, is Ms McPhillips concerned that we are not recruiting the numbers we should be? We are already below the European average. It...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is not actually true, is it? It is not true according to the parliamentary question I have.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is not. The number of new recruits will not be 700. They will be part-replacements. We will not be adding 700 to the force, will we?

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