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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Is any of those households counted in the official homelessness statistics? Is there any kind of overlap?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: We have just under 10,000 on the official homelessness list. Professor O'Sullivan reckons that, were he to include these groups on top of that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Does Professor O'Sullivan have any idea as to how many persons are living in these households?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: That helps clarify the matter for me. Are so-called couch or sofa surfers included in the 35,000 or are they on top of that figure again?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: There is an overlap, but a number of sofa surfers are most likely not included in the figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: If we were to take the most liberal interpretation of homelessness, there is the official figure, the 35,000 households as opposed to individuals in Professor O'Sullivan's hidden homelessness statistics, and a cohort of sofa surfers who are not included in the latter. That is interesting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Speaking the EU, are sofa surfers or the people captured in this definition of "hidden homeless" counted in the official homelessness statistics of other European countries, for example, Germany?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: What is the position in Northern Ireland?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: That response is helpful. It seems that the homelessness statistics are lower than I feel they are in reality. I say this on the basis of the official statistics not including groups that many ordinary people would view as being homeless and are counted as being homeless in other countries, and on the basis of what I can only describe as the doctoring of the figures by the Minister and the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: I will ask one question at a time. The first relates to notices to quit from the private rental sector and the announcement of a 100% tax break for landlords who repair properties in the recent budget. My question is to either of the representatives of the Department. The tenants' organisation Threshold has reported that some surveys now indicate that substantial refurbishment is the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Will that legislation be in before 1 January?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Published.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: I have three questions. That was just my first one. I have a supplementary on it. When the pre-budget discussions were taking place on this idea of a 100% tax break for landlords for repair, including substantial refurbishment, was any concern voiced at a senior level within the Department that this could actually promote, encourage and be the cause of an increased number of notice-to-quit...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: The question was that landlords are obviously accommodation providers, but are also issuing notices to quit in sufficient numbers that it is the number one cause of homelessness these days. Given that this was just one of many strands in the budget, but it was a strand of the budget, was any concerned voiced at any level in the Department in the pre-budget discussions that this measure could...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Were any concerns voiced?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Were no concerns raised that this could increase evictions and homelessness?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: She has replied twice; she not answered the question whatsoever.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: I will move on to the next question, which is for Ms Gleeson. Earlier Professor O'Sullivan gave his opinion based on his knowledge of the situation that the housing and homelessness crisis has not peaked and that it will worsen in the next year. He was not prepared to comment beyond the next year. What is Ms Gleeson's sense of it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Ms Gleeson is going beyond what Professor O'Sullivan said. She has said it will worsen next year and the year after, and that it may not be until the following year that we see supply -----

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