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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: What ruling did the Chair make?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: We are not talking about that. I am talking about the Chair second-guessing. She is the one who has continued this conversation. I am happy to move on with the questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I thank the Chair. I appreciate that very much because, as I have said from the beginning, we do not have nearly enough time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: To our guests-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Appendix 2 to the IFPA document says that "IFPA services are operated in line with best international practice". In light of that, I want to go back to some of the issues raised by Deputy Fitzpatrick. An exposé that was reported on in the Irish Independenta few years ago was done by a group of women who had anecdotal or personal experience of having abortions or who knew women who...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I want Mr. Behan to answer the question that has been asked.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Absolutely. He is speaking for gardaí who are not here. How do we know that any of this is true?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I have evidence.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I said that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I do not dispute that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order, what I am disputing is the hearsay reportage of what the gardaí thought of the evidence presented to them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: The only fact of which Deputy Daly is aware, and the only fact which is in the public domain, is that it did not proceed to a prosecution. We do not know why.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Frankly, they are. It goes to the credibility of the IFPA.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I asked you a question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I need to come back and ask the question, to which I have not gotten a response.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I will, and thank you for the opportunity. I have not got an answer to any of my questions. I heard an explanation that the HSE investigation came up with recommendations that the IFPA had no problem with implementing. I did not ask about that. I did not ask what they thought of the gardaí who were carrying out the investigation. What I have heard from Mr. Behan is the suggestion...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Can I just ask the question again?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Gosh, that is a Richard Nixon-type explanation. It is appalling.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: That is not inconsistent with anything I said.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order-----

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