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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Will Mr. Kelly tell the committee the number of people on the official homeless lists when the idea was first mooted? Was the number decreasing or rising?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: What is the grand total?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Therefore 319 short of the 10,000 mark. Was the figure decreasing or rising?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Was there any discussion between the Minister and the Department about the figure of 10,000 homeless being politically sensitive?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: However, it is fair to say that there would have been a keen awareness at the higher levels of the Department that 10,000 was a landmark figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: He did not fool anybody when he made that comment. A figure of 10,000 would clearly be seen by most ordinary people, and people with common sense, as being a particular landmark in the homeless crisis. Mr. Kelly would not deny that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: I note that Ms Eileen Gleeson said that the people who have been taken off this list in that category are people who are essentially homeless and that Ms Mary Hurley from the Department said that people in that category are essentially not homeless. It is an indication of the degree of confusion created by this move that the Dublin Region Homeless Executive and the Department now disagree...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Professor O'Sullivan has said he expects that will continue for another year. Why does he say a year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: I thank Professor O'Sullivan. My next questions will be rapid fire as I seek clarity for myself and those watching. Essentially, I want "Yes" or "No" answers as to whether the following groups are counted as part of the official homeless figures in this State. Is it correct that the majority of rough sleepers outside Dublin are not counted?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: That is including rough sleepers in Dublin?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Therefore they are not included.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Asylum seekers in direct provision are not included.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: What about women in domestic violence shelters?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: What about shelters that are not run by local authorities?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: What about long-term accommodation funded from local authorities?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: What about so-called couch surfers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: I am reading the section in Professor O'Sullivan's submission that refers to that group. It includes the category of unsuitable accommodation due to exceptional, medical or compassionate grounds.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: Page 9. Other categories are overcrowded accommodation, unfit accommodation and unsuitable accommodation due to particular housing circumstances. When Professor O'Sullivan says that there are between 35,000 and 40,000 households assessed as being in these categories, he is referring to the years 2013, 2016, 2017 and 2018. It is not a cumulative figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: I imagine that the figure is higher in 2018 than it was in 2013. If that is an average figure-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Reports on Homelessness: Discussion (8 Nov 2018)

Mick Barry: The figure for 2018 is approximately-----

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