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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: Is there any report from the visit?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: I thank the witnesses for their presentations. I have a couple of questions for Mr. Hogan. I note that the International Transport Workers Federation, ITF, was in contact with him and sent him three reports on its inspections in May, June and August 2016. I understand from Ken Fleming, Jon Whitlow and Pádraig Yeates of the ITF - Mr. Yeates is in attendance today - that when they met...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: No problem. My second question relates to the horrific experience meted out to a worker called Ebo Turkson. I have read a Garda statement which details the most horrific circumstances of this case. Ken Fleming has spoken about the fact that this guy was put into a survival suit and dumped into the sea, having previously been subjected to horrific abuse. For example, he was called a "black...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: I am quoting from a Garda statement that was made on behalf of Ebo Turkson. It was taken on 19 May 2017. I am happy to share it with anybody who would like to see it. I believe Mr. Hogan's organisation followed up on the actual vessel. My point is that when the ITF wrote to Mr. Hogan to ask him to ask him for legitimate information, he replied by sending a letter that I can only describe...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: That is fair enough, unless Mr. Hogan printed them off again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: I thank the witnesses from both organisations for their presentations. I am conscious of the fact many non-EEA workers are from countries such as Egypt, Ghana and the Philippines. How many interpreters have the organisations hired to carry out this work over the 18 months to date?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: How does Ms Buckley know?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: We have been speaking about how people express their concerns if they cannot speak the language, and the Chairman expressed it well. I am very surprised by this. I have a lot of respect for the WRC as a former trade union official. I would have thought the first thing it would realise when undertaking a project such as this is it would need to have some level of language assistance. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: I find it really strange it has not come up as an issue, given that I know from experience, and the ITF would have told the WRC, that language is a key issue in this regard. This leads to my next question. The WRC has had two meetings with the ITF over a 21 month period. That strikes me as being-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: It informed me the number was two.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: How would the witnesses describe the level of engagement with the ITF? It offered to provide expert witnesses with regard to reports it provided last year, but the WRC refused. Why did the WRC refuse?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: The WRC has accepted the information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: Forgive me, but with respect, the witnesses have not answered the question I asked, which is why the WRC turned down the ITF's offer to act as expert witnesses with regard to the reports it gave the WRC in May, June and August of last year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: How much money has the WRC recovered for fishers over the past 20 months?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: What stand out a mile are the 70 boats out of 159 with no records in the cases that are open. I am shocked by this. Were the witnesses shocked by this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: The graph says no records, which is why I asked the question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: I thank the witnesses for the information provided, which has been very helpful. Are Egyptian, Ghanaian and Filipino among the languages used on the Workplace Relations Commission website?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: The website is of very little use in that case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Atypical Work Permit Scheme: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Sep 2017)

Paul Gavan: That is a fair point.

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