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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: No, they are not. This item on the agenda relates to the EU meeting the Minister is about to attend. We will then discuss the budget at which point the Senator can raise broader issues.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: That is a budget issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: That is a budgetary matter. We are on No. 1 on the agenda.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: How does it relate to the particular meeting the Minister is scheduled to attend?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: I ask the Senator to conclude.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: We said we would move on to the pre-budget discussion at 11 a.m.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: We are straying into areas that are outside the remit of this committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: I will allow supplementary questions but I remind members that we agreed at the outset that we would move to discussing the budget at 11 a.m. The pre-budget discussion is important, clearly, and I ask that the three members who indicated a desire to ask questions be brief.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: Yes. I call Senator Moloney, only on this point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: Fair enough, but there was an order agreed by the committee at the beginning of today's business.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: We cannot. We adopted an order. I will allow Senator Moloney on this matter. Other than that, we will stick to the rules we agreed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: I thank the Minister and will open the floor to members. I first will call on Deputy Ó Snodaigh, the Sinn Féin spokesperson.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: Yes, I apologise.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Business of Joint Committee (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: I welcome the Minister for Social Protection, Deputy Joan Burton, Ms Orlaigh Quinn, assistant secretary at the Department of Social Protection, and Mr. Brian O'Raghallaigh. The Minister is present to brief us on the agenda of the forthcoming EU Council of Ministers meeting on employment, social policy, health and consumer affairs in Luxembourg on 4 October and to discuss the pre-budgetary...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Forthcoming Employment, Social Policy, Health and Consumer Affairs Council: Discussion with Minister for Social Protection (26 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: I invite the Minister to begin her briefing on the social protection aspects of the Council's agenda.

An Bille um an Aonú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Leanaí) 2012: An Dara Céim - Thirty-First Amendment of the Constitution (Children) Bill 2012: Second Stage (25 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: That is agreed.

An Bille um an Aonú Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Leanaí) 2012: An Dara Céim - Thirty-First Amendment of the Constitution (Children) Bill 2012: Second Stage (25 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: That is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Actuarial Review of the Social Insurance Fund: Discussion (20 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: Are there any further questions? I thank the officials. What has come out of the discussion is that it would be very helpful to us, as Oireachtas Members and members of the committee, to have a menu of options and if it was possible to talk to the Minister about that in terms of the range of options available to address the shortfall in the fund. I thank the officials for the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Actuarial Review of the Social Insurance Fund: Discussion (20 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: People pay contributions on the basis that they get certain returns. We cannot start to discriminate between categories of contributors if the contributions are the same.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Actuarial Review of the Social Insurance Fund: Discussion (20 Sep 2012)

Joanna Tuffy: Yes. The other side of the argument is that the same thing happens in this country. Many people in Ireland get pensions from working abroad. It is probably a case of swings and roundabouts.

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