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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Exponentially.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Was that a board decision or a policy of the Government?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It had nothing to do with the Government.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: When was that decision made?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That was within six days of the meeting on the 12th.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I am sorry; I am talking about 10 December.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It is important that we read the minutes of the steering group meeting on 28 October:PD [Phelim Devine] reported that the GMP process has not yet concluded. A report in relation to the GMP process will be submitted to DS [Mr. Sullivan] as chair of the CHP and P steering group in advance of the next board meeting which was to be 16 November 2018 but did not take place until 10 December...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Given the amount of money involved and the recommendations made, do the terms of reference of the steering group include a reference to your discretion in deciding whether to consult it or inform its members?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: To what end? It could have been for you to say you were making a big mistake.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Did you consult the members? Could you have had a meeting to tell them? You knew that they had serious concerns because they were detailed in a full paragraph in the minutes, but when the board met, there was simply a sentence. It stated the guaranteed maximum price process had concluded in November and that the board recommended continuing with the current contract. It is an awful waste...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What do your members think? Why could you not have had a meeting by phone or conference call?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Some but not all.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: How did you determine to whom you would speak and to whom you would not speak?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It could have informed them better, could it not? This is particularly the case, given that they had expressed concern at the previous meeting. Did you think to ring Mr. Breslin to say he should put the meeting back by a week? As it had been on the cards since 2007, I am sure another week or two would not have mattered.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: To whom were penalties payable?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: There was no contract. The contract was for phase A.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I do not understand the time pressures. You were on the hook for phase A, but phase B was only an option. As you made a recommendation to go ahead, how would a penalty have accrued to the State because you did not take a decision quickly enough based on a recommendation that had been made?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Does that not indicate that the decision had to be in the affirmative on behalf of the contractor, after which penalties might then have accrued?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Then what is the issue? You could have got back to them and told them that the answer was "No" and that you were not going with them.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What were the time pressures? Did the contract state BAM had to be informed by 17 December or there would be a penalty?

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