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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: They are in reserve.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: That some will. We know about the applications Caranua received up to Tuesday, 1 August 2018. However, 378 have come in since Wednesday, 2 August 2018. I want to know how many came in that week, from the Wednesday. For example, somebody might have sent a letter from England and just because the post arrived two days late----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is great. What we are asking is that Caranua demonstrates that. I want to get an indication of the timing of the 378 that have been received since, for example, how many came in during August, September or the following month. Ms Hynes said earlier that Caranua received an inquiry in the last week or two, so they are still coming in. We have already established that €8 million...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does Caranua understand where we are coming from?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Of those 378, I know 100 have come into the Caranua offices. Many of them must be in a panic because they were a month late or whatever.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: If it is 64%, about 120 of those are new people.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are going to ask Caranua to come back with some indication. If it is planning to be gone in six months, it must be in the middle of its planning process at this stage. I am just doing the sums off the top of my head. If there are 100 people out there and the average payment to date has been €13,000, that is €1.3 million, which is within the fund we think Caranua is going...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Caranua should be able to give an estimate of the cost. Will it be giving priority to first-time applicants or is it irrelevant that somebody has had a previous claim?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Need is the priority.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are satisfied that the Department says that money will be coming very shortly. Caranua will soon be in a very clear position and will be able to estimate what will be needed to deal with the cases on hand and what will be available. I encourage it to get on with making its own estimate in order to avoid leaving people high and dry. It is in the interests of Caranua for this to wind up...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: From a practical point of view, the 2018 audited financial statement will be laid before the Oireachtas well before Christmas. That will only update the situation to the end of last year but we will ask, when that statement is laid before the Oireachtas, for an update. It will not be an audited update but an updated briefing note from Caranua before Christmas when the accounts have been...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is, the total spend up until the board changed the policy about putting in a cap. Please show us how much had been committed by the time Caranua introduced the cap. Depending on when the vote comes up, Deputy O'Connell may have some time now.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: One or two members have indicated that they would like to come back in a second time. We will suspend the sitting until 2.30 p.m. I hope the meeting will not continue for too long after that.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: To clarify, we will ask Caranua to revert with the figure for the total costs since it started. I refer to the costs for staffing, the office, administration and everything else. The Deputy is not just asking for the staff costs but the overall cost of running the organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The total cost of running the organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: On what page of the 2017 financial statement is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: What page is it on? If we can put it up on the screen, it would be a help.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is €2 million for 2017.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Can we have that chart for each of the years?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, great.

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