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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Ms Boate concluded, "I determined that the Operator had breached Schedule 9 ... of the Licence and concluded that no further action was required." What further actions were available for her to take under the licence and the Act?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I am concerned about the harm to the person not the operator.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: It did not have to be the operator. It could have been the regulator or somebody else. It could have been Gamblers Anonymous.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: What was done to assess any harm done to those people because of a breach? A breach occurred due to the operator. It was noted and found by the regulator. Ms Boate took no further action, so the operator got off with it, essentially. Maybe the national lottery can tell us when it is here, but I am not hearing what assessment there was of the harm done to the people who had proactively...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Did they get an apology?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: It is a matter of interpretation. I believe Ms Boate should have got external advice on the legal point we discussed earlier. I believe that interpretation is wrong. Ms Boate has player protection person in her office, but from the perspective of the State on behalf of the citizen, it appears from Ms Boate's answer that what we are concerned about is the operator, the regulator and that...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: My apologies but the regulator's own report said that no further action was taken in addition to-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: That is not enough. The only way that that information is coming out is because of this conversation today.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I thank the Chairman.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Is that the case in any circumstances?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: The regulator has never used these powers against the operator for any reason.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: The worst that has happened then is that there have been breaches and they have been noted in the regulator’s annual report.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: What would the operator have to do in order to have a breach worse than being noted in the annual report, that is, in order for the regulator to take action which would have other consequences? How bad does the action of the operator have to be?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: What?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: But contacting people who have been self-excluded is not one of those things? Problem gamblers who are self-excluded do not meet that strawberry farming test?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I have one question on the 48 self-excluded people who were contacted. How many self-excluded in 2021 and in 2020? What is the number of people who self-excluded?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Yes, I do. That is what I want to know.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Is it easy to check? Is it something Ms Boate can come back with after the break?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: That would be good. Thank you.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Can Ms Boate get back to the Chair by the end of the meeting? Is that something somebody could check?

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