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Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: It was a great pity that the House had a vote.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: Senator Norris is in great form today.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: Last night, Senator Dolan made an exceptionally valid point about the issue of lay people selecting judges and having the competency to be advised in that regard. He compared it eloquently with juries. Ordinary citizens are summoned to serve on a jury. They benefit from the legal argument and the case that is put forward by both a defendant and a plaintiff. Colleagues might not agree but...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: On a matter of correction, I never for one minute chose to lecture the Senator. I merely spoke in a manner which was not as articulate as my colleague, Senator Dolan. I thought it was an unique example of the benefits of lay people's involvement. I am outlining that in the context of the judicial appointments commission. Surely there are parallels there.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: That is fair enough.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: The Senator might as well. We all know it anyway.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: He had to go to the Dáil.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: It is all rolling into one.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: Not necessarily.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: They need somebody who is good at business maybe understanding-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: He needs to-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: He is well able to interrupt, himself.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: The Cathaoirleach certainly does.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: I will go formally and I will-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: I will not be a minute.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: Sometimes Senator Norris just needs to be reminded of common sense.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: I would never question the Senator's intellectual capacity.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: I would question his definition of "lay person" in the first instance and following on from that his narrow interpretation that somebody who would run a taxi operation should be a taxi driver. He could easily be somebody who has expertise in transport logistics - perhaps who ran a haulage company. It is possible to get people who might not necessarily have direct line experience but who...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: It could bring an awful lot more depth.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (4 Jul 2018)

Martin Conway: It would bring much more depth, creativity and imagination if we could think a little more outside the box. I am surprised that the Senator's definition is so narrow.As somebody whom I consider to be very intellectual and creative, he should be thinking far more liberally and far more outside the box.

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