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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: Ms Liz McDermott, One Day More (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: No, it was not. The intervention was a discourtesy to the speaker.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: Ms Liz McDermott, One Day More (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I welcome Ms Liz McDermott. We are two thirds into the process of the committee and today is the first time somebody who is in favour of the eighth amendment had a platform alone, so to speak, with a session devoted to them. What she has had to say is just so radically different from everything that has gone before. It is so noteworthy. To correct one thing, Deputy Daly was picking Ms...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: Ms Liz McDermott, One Day More (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Everybody here seems to agree that it would be wrong to suggest a decision to go to Britain. I think Deputy O'Sullivan talked about "necessary non-directive". Even that is very undefined. I did not succeed in getting the HSE crisis pregnancy programme representatives last week to define directive counselling. We have a Constitution that protects the unborn. Ms McDermott has been very...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: Ms Liz McDermott, One Day More (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: If that is the case, then, that there is another human being who has rights in this situation, does Ms McDermott think that the whole area of directive counselling needs to be re-imagined? If we have a Constitution that protects the unborn, ought doctors not to be encouraging people, instead of leaving a cold choice and saying, "It is up to you; we are going to wash our hands of that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: Ms Liz McDermott, One Day More (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Supposing Ms McDermott's vision and mine, as it happens, does not prevail, and the State withdraws legal and social support for these very sick babies in these situations, would that lead to more people having abortions or terminating the pregnancy? Does Ms McDermott think it would impact on the culture? Does she foresee any other consequences?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: Ms Liz McDermott, One Day More (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Is Ms McDermott talking about anomalies?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: Ms Liz McDermott, One Day More (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Will Ms McDermott read out Dr. Parsons's comment for us?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: One Day More (Resumed) (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: People take a long time to get over me, generally.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: One Day More (Resumed) (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of clarification: I think Blue Steel is the intellectual property of Mr. Zoolander. The teacher obviously did not know enough-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: One Day More (Resumed) (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I can offer clarification at the end of the meeting. Those figures do not necessarily contradict themselves as like is not being compared with like.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: One Day More (Resumed) (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: To clarify, that is an organisation called Ask Majella.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: One Day More (Resumed) (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: That is an attempt to trap-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: One Day More (Resumed) (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: It is an organisation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: One Day More (Resumed) (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: The Deputy should bring in the Charities Regulator. She is badgering the witness.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: One Day More (Resumed) (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I have a question. It has nothing to do with today's proceedings. I want to draw the attention of the committee to one issue that has been coming up, the question of directive counselling. I did not get satisfactory answers last week from the crisis pregnancy programme about where it is defined. Could we get our legal advisers to give us some help on this? What is the law in this country...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Termination in Cases of Foetal Abnormality: One Day More (Resumed) (22 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I would really welcome some clarification on those issues.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I would like to preface my remarks by referring to what Deputy Rabbitte said. I think the Chair said she is "indebted to Deputy Rabbitte" for her comments about the non-appearance before the committee of certain pro-life invitees. To judge by the letters sent in by two of them, they did not want to be used in a tokenistic way by a committee that had already made up its mind that the eighth...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: And the Chair has expressed her opinion numerous times.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I know exactly what it is. If I may proceed to my questions-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Socioeconomic Context: Dr. Caitriona Henchion and Mr. Niall Behan, Irish Family Planning Association (15 Nov 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Yes.

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