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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I thank the Chair and thank the witnesses for coming in. I particularly welcome the new chair, Mr. Terence O'Rourke, and congratulate him on his appointment. He has taken on a difficult job at a very difficult time and I wish him well in his endeavours because the whole country needs him, the board of RTÉ and the executives to do well and steer the station in the right direction and...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: How many times has Mr. O'Rourke met the Minister since his appointment?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: How does that compare with the director general? How often does Mr. O'Rourke meet with the director general?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: What concerns does the chair have, from his time in the organisation and from having watched committee proceedings at various stages here and maybe at the Committee of Public Accounts, in relation to bogus self-employment?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: We are going back down a rabbit hole again now. I have been here many times before and, as Ms Cusack well knows, that is only part of the story. There are legacy issues going much further back than 2018 that I am concerned about and that the workers who have been disenfranchised and disadvantaged are concerned about. These are the issues the chairman has an obligation to fully examine and...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: Is Mr. O'Rourke willing to not be captured by executives like previous boards have been, to insist on fairness and to insist that we cut out the speak where Eversheds and 2018 are constantly being referred to as the starting point of this issue when we all know it is not and that it goes back much further than that? As the new chair, it would be refreshing for Mr. O’Rourke to come in...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I would appreciate that. It would be very helpful if, as one of the starting points, the speak of denial and the gaslighting that we are hearing from the executives would be stamped out and not tolerated any longer. It is insulting to us here, as a committee, and very disturbing to the workers who have been disadvantaged and distressed by this. Some of them have been very distressed about...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: Further to what we spoke about previously with regard to HR expertise on the board, what skill set levels are there?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: That is a marked improvement on previous meeting rates. With regard to the evaluation of board performance, how does Mr. O’Rourke envisage that would be carried out in the future?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: It is self-evaluation.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: Has Mr. O’Rourke studied the previous self-evaluation?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: Something went wrong there because they were coming in at over 80%. I would say that is far higher than most other people might have given the board in terms of performance. I know Mr. O’Rourke has experience of other boards in Enterprise Ireland, the ESB and so on. Is it a fruitless exercise? Is it pointless?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: An aithníonn tú an tábhacht a bhaineann le Raidió na Gaeltachta do shaol agus do chultúr na Gaeltachta agus an mbeidh béim aige ar Raidió na Gaeltachta amach anseo? Does Mr. O’Rourke acknowledge the importance of Raidió na Gaeltachta on the life and culture of the Gaeltacht and will there be an emphasis by him on Raidió na Gaeltachta into...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I am sure Mr. O’Rourke will be welcome in west Kerry at any stage, if he would like to give a call on his exploratory visits. Go raibh maith agat.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: Regarding HR, an awful lot of what happened last year and the scandals that arose were HR department and finance department-related scandals. In that regard, I wish to ask the chairman about the HR department. Does he believe, in light of everything we saw over the past 12 months related to severance packages and the Tubridy pay debacle, that the current leadership positions within the HR...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: Have there been personnel changes in the HR department at senior level since last June? None. It is remarkable, considering that this was primarily an HR scandal and the same team is in place, is it not?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: We know from previous hearings here that key players within the HR department were complicit in many of the activities that occurred. From the board’s point of view, is it concerning that these changes have not taken place? We saw quite a serious change of personnel in certain areas, for example, in finance, but that has not happened in HR. In my opinion, there is something very...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I think public confidence is critical. We talk about the massive haemorrhaging of revenue, for example, from the TV licence, that arose from a loss of public confidence, particularly in the day-to-day running of the organisation. That is something that I think will require key change of personnel at the station. I do not think that confidence will be fully recovered until the people who...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I know that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Engagement with Chairperson to the Board of RTÉ (12 Jun 2024)

Brendan Griffin: The board should be challenging more. Regarding the board challenging management, have there been, for example, any proposals from management in respect of pay-related or severance-related activity in the chair’s time that the board has refused? We know there were approvals in the past that certainly would have raised a lot of eyebrows. Have there been any proposals of late that the...

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