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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I thank Ms Hurley. Self-regulation is what we like. She will have the opportunity to come back in. There will be extensive engagement with members once we get into the questions and answers. I call Dr. Schweppe.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I thank Mr. Collins. We will bring Ms Liston in during the questions as we generally have one speaker per organisation. Both he and Ms Liston can come in on the questions. We might do it that way. I want to move to the members now and take questions. That would help to illustrate the points that have been made by the different speakers. I thank them all for their presentations. I will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: You have muted, Dr. Taylor. If you could unmute.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: Dr. Taylor went a little over time but I did not want to cut him off in the middle of such a troubling story that he was sharing with us there. I let that run. I thank Deputy Pringle. I will move on to the next questioner for this round. Deputy Carroll MacNeill is up next. The Deputy has seven minutes for her engagement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: The doctor is over time. I was giving a bit of latitude. I am going to move on to the next questioner. Dr. Taylor may wish to come back in with that example later in the meeting and he is welcome to do so.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I thank Dr. Taylor for his contribution. The time is up for this slot but Dr. Schweppe and Ms Hurley have indicated a wish to comment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: Dr. Schweppe has made interesting points.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I thank all of the witnesses. I call Senator Ruane and she has seven minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: They can to an extent. It would not be usual to ask them direct questions but if they can perhaps offer clarification on something that is raised in terms of the legislation with the Department or whatever, then that would be okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: Yes, but I will permit the Senator one last question because I had the last round.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I ask Dr. Taylor to give a brief answer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: To whom are the questions directed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: Ms Liston and Mr. Collins can both respond, if they wish.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I thank Mr. Collins.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I think I know where the Senator is coming from because I had an approach along similar lines. I understand what that question was trying to get to. That concludes our primary round of questioning. I will now go to supplementary questions. Deputy Carroll MacNeill indicated that she had wanted to come in with supplementary questions. There is a shorter time for supplementary questions and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I thank Dr. Haynes for that answer. Senator Ruane is the last speaker in our supplementary round.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: Unfortunately not, but there are a few minutes in which Senator Ruane will contribute. Even though the witnesses are attending remotely, as there are a number of people in the room, we have all the usual restrictions in terms of the length of the meeting, so I have to be tight on times. Senator Ruane will close the meeting on behalf of members but the witnesses may then contribute as required.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I take the point made by Mr. Collins. I thank him for coming before the committee. He gets to have the last word. I thank all of the members who participated. Some of them had to go back to the Chamber for other engagements. I thank all of the witnesses for coming before the committee. We have had an exceptionally good engagement. I thank all of the organisations, witnesses and those...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Hate Crime) Bill 2021: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

James Lawless: I thank Dr. Schweppe. We move to Mr. Collins. He had some difficulties logging in but he is with us now. He will have three minutes to make his opening statement and then we will have questions and answers with members following that.

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