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Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: That is for existing claimants. I am talking about people who are not in the system.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: The situation could arise in a circumstance other than death. The parents could break up. Somebody could lose his or her job for some reason. If a person remains in his or her job until next Thursday, the same situation applies as in the example I gave.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: If somebody who is in employment loses that employment next week, he or she might submit a claim for lone parent payment after next week. Somebody who is a new claimant after next Thursday will not be eligible.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: No. I spoke about what would happen if they were in employment.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I have to let the Minister know that if you are in employment and you are paid a reasonable salary or wage, you will not receive a social welfare payment as it is means tested.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: It depends on the number of-----

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I am talking-----

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps such people have stamps and PRSI contributions that qualify them for benefit. That would exempt them from the provisions of this legislation for nine months or so. What about those who do not have sufficient contributions, however? Somebody who is in a job today on a reasonable salary will not be drawing any payment in respect of this category. If such a person loses his or her...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: If that is the case, what does the date provided for in this legislation mean? I am contradicting what the Minister has said because it is made clear in section 4 of the Bill that "this section comes into operation on 3 May 2012". That is next Thursday. Is the Minister telling me that section 4 will mean nothing when it comes into operation? If it will mean nothing next Thursday, surely...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: They will go onto one-parent family payment.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: They will go onto one-parent family payment.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: It is very clear. The Minister will say that some of those who will be affected by this might have an entitlement to benefit. That might be the case. Others might not have such an entitlement, however. This section will come into effect on 3 May next. According to the briefing note, from which the Minister has read on two occasions: From this date, [3 May 2012] new customers will be...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I have been listening to the Minister for a while now, and there is one thing I must say: she almost got away with it. A major sleight of hand has taken place in the Dáil this evening with regard to a provision that 99.9% of the population do not understand. Last week in her Second Stage speech, the Minister highlighted the fact that she believed the age of seven was unsuitable as a...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: What amendment are we discussing?

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: Section 1(4) deals with the date of the coming into operation of section 3 with regard to voluntary contributions. Is a change proposed to this commencement date? An extensive amendment on this issue will be proposed which will include a date for when it will come into effect rather than a commencement date.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I am asking for clarification with regard to amendment No. 1. Will it mean the deletion of the original section 1(4)?

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: With regard to section 1 of the Bill have we deleted section 1(4) through the Minister's amendment? Is the original section 1(4) still there? That is all I am asking.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: I think it is.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2012: Committee Stage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2012)

Seán Fleming: So the original subsection is gone. That is okay. I just wanted clarification on it.

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