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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: In the European Union.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am making a general point. The trend in the last decade has surprised me and possibly most people, where it is heading in a particular direction. Is it possible to say how much of the €13.7 billion of exports from Ireland went to the primary producer? That is a very legitimate question for 2018. Out of the €13.7 billion of cheques written to Ireland for the food products...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will compliment Mr. Gleeson on those figures, which are there for anyone who chooses to look at them, but which is probably not everybody. The figures are presented clearly, which is great. I compliment Mr. Gleeson on this is a fantastic annual report of well over 100 pages. Has Mr. Gleeson a view on what was paid to the primary producers out of the €13.7 billion? It might...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Has anyone got that approximate figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We can deal with that as well but-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not confining this to one sector. Dairy is our biggest export, followed by beverages. I am looking at this across the board. I am seeking data on the value of the output. Do we have an idea of what that was?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is kind of surprising that when I ask representatives from the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine to tell me the value of the food produced for export, they cannot tell me. They can give me a figure for what we got for those exports but I would love to know the value of the food product output. The Department has that figure because it knows what was paid to the farmers. If...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is that out of the €13.7 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will ask Mr. Gleeson to say that again on the public record because that figure needs to be out there. That is quite a high proportion. It is certainly the majority. One must also consider transport, processing and the profit margin on sales.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The farmers are going to put it this way: the value of their output was approximately €8.2 billion and the profit made after the goods left the farm was €5.5 billion.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Gleeson said that the value-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are not talking about the costs but the value added. The price achieved for the €8.2 billion worth of farm output-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The price achieved on the export market for that was €5.5 billion. There is more to that because we did not export-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: How much of that was exported?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Out of that €8 billion or so, let us say €7 billion was exported. By the time it left the country, that €7 billion generated an extra €6 billion for somebody. Does Mr. Gleeson see where I am going?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is probably not fair-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not getting into that debate. I am saying that these are macro or national figures based on the sectors in the industry, as summarised in the Department's annual report. I am just asking Mr. Gleeson to break down-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Out of the €8.2 billion in output, approximately €7 billion worth was exported, which yielded-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: There was almost 100% of an increase after the farmer was paid. That is interesting. That is all I will say. I am making this calculation on the basis of the figures supplied by the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department probably has some breakdown based on the sector as well. I do not know.

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