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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: That is not good enough. That is simply not good enough. IFAC plays a very important role in this State in terms of budgetary oversight and none of us understand what is happening with Sláintecare in terms of money.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Not none of us. The group tasked with independent budgetary oversight in the State does not know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: In public? When?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Will that be publicly?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Does Mr. Watt know how much it is going to cost to implement Sláintecare in full?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: No. Let us not take one aspect. How much will it cost to implement Sláintecare? It is the job of a Department to forecast what it believes it will cost to implement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Absolutely. It is called economic forecasting. We do it all the time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: What blocks are unknown?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Please do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Why do we not know the costs of elective hospitals?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: How much a hospital is going to cost can be forecast. It absolutely can.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: No, the Department absolutely can.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: The Department absolutely can. I am sorry. That is ridiculous. This was my area of expertise not so long ago. A price can be put on what a hospital is going to cost, notwithstanding the failure of the State to do so in the past. A range can be forecast. A cost can be forecast, and Mr. Watt is not correct in saying otherwise.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: We could have a range on electives. I thank Mr. Watt. What other sectors can we have a range on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Construction inflation can be forecast.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: There are thousands of people in this world who are expert in forecasting construction inflation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: We do not believe in experts any more. Fair enough.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Other than electives, what other costs are not known?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: That is a known sum then.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Sláintecare Implementation: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Dec 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Is the GP care an unknown sum? I apologise, I am way over time.

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