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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: Do Ms O'Riordan and Mr. Culhane wish to come in, particularly on the issue of data on care, which the citizen's assembly referred to so specifically?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: It is great to hear that because that was a real issue in the citizens' assembly recommendations. That is a new question in census 2022.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: That is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: We heard from the different stakeholders, such as family carers, when they were in before us of a frustration about a lack of co-ordination on data. It was a real issue they identified, as did the citizens' assembly. They did not feel that there was enough information about levels of care, in particular, unpaid care. It is good to hear there is likely to be an improvement in the extent of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: We talked about definitions and that was a difficult one. I will call Deputy Clarke but I have one more big question, if I may, for all of our guests. I was struck by Ms O'Loughlin's point that equality budgeting should not be a box ticking exercise. Given that we are now in a process where there has been equality budgeting going on for some years, can Ms O'Loughlin say that has improved...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: Can Ms O'Loughlin identify any particular impact or policy that might have changed as a result?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: I can imagine. The CSO's website is getting more and more visitors.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: That is great.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: I thank Ms O'Riordan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: It arose extensively at our meetings, not just in terms of children but also older adults who were taking on caring roles, often incrementally as a relative's condition deteriorated. Is the standard classification that the CSO uses for care drawn from-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: I thank Ms O'Riordan. That is helpful. Does Deputy Clarke have further questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: Since no one is indicating, I will ask a final question before we let the witnesses go. It has to do with the text of the citizens' assembly recommendation No. 43, which calls not just for data gathering and regular publication, which we have discussed, but also for remedial action where necessary. I am interested in what remedial action is being taken on equality budgeting currently. Ms...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: That is clear. I thank Ms O'Loughlin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: I thank Mr. Culhane. That is a creative point. The data on Ukraine came out quickly. That concludes our public hearing unless the witnesses would like to add anything else they believe we should have covered but did not. If not, I thank them for giving their time. I am conscious they appear before many committees, so we appreciate them appearing before us to address the specific...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: I thank Mr. Culhane for that overview. In my previous life as an academic, I was very grateful for CSO data on crime when doing criminology work.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: Does Mr. Culhane wish to comment on some of those other recommendations - 42 and 43 - and the question of legislating for equality budgeting?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: The Deputy had indicated she wanted to contribute. We were about to conclude.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: Not at all. We are well within time. I am sorry to put the Deputy on the spot. Does she have a number of questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: That is very helpful. I thank Ms O'Loughlin. Is Deputy Farrell finished?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Gender Equality: Recommendations of the Report of the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Jun 2022)

Ivana Bacik: Not at all. I am glad we could accommodate the Deputy. That exchange has given us all a real insight into the inner workings of the budgetary processes. I thank Ms O'Loughlin for that. I will now bring the meeting to a close. I warmly thank our witnesses today: Ms O'Loughlin and Mr Hearne from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and Ms O'Riordan and Mr. Culhane from the...

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