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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Absolutely. I emailed my apologies but you might give them orally as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Thank you, Adam. You continue to be an inspiration to many. I call Ms Lorraine Dempsey from the Special Needs Parents Association.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Ms Dempsey will have to conclude soon.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Thank you. The committee may well take you up on the invitation to visit one of the schools. It would be very useful. It is something we will consider in the autumn term.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Thank you for that. I now call on Mr. Fergal Kelly who represents the CPSMA.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Mr. Curtis is the general secretary of the Joint Managerial Body-Association of Management of Catholic Secondary Schools.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I thank Mr. Curtis. We look forward to the trials in October and hearing the results. Ms Griffin is CEO of the National Council for Special Education, NCSE.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: As Deputy Thomas Byrne will be leaving us in a few minutes to attend the Seanad reform committee, he will be the first member of the joint committee to put questions to the delegates.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I ask the person whose mobile phone is causing the interference to turn it off.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: The Deputy can continue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I thank the Deputy and apologise for the interruption. It might have been an iPad that was causing the problem.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: There will be an opportunity to ask further questions. I will ask the witnesses a number of questions. I agree with Deputy O'Sullivan regarding the lack of dedicated post-primary schools to deal with this issue. In her submission, Ms Griffin said that research showed that when students were enrolled in special schools or classes, they rarely re-enrolled in mainstream education. I agree...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: On good practice, the need for mentors was mentioned earlier, as was the fact that there are principals really taking this on board. Ms Noreen Duggan of Scoil na Naomh Uilig appeared before the committee. Her school is a really good example. The issue, however, is that we need to give the resources to a school if we want somebody therein to demonstrate good practice to other schools....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Perhaps it is not like St. Mark's.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Where is the school to which the witness has made reference?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I will go to Ms Dempsey next and then Mr. Kelly. I know Mr. Curtis and Mr. Harris want to come back in but I want to give everyone an opportunity to speak first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Thank you, Mr. Kelly. We will go back to Mr. Harris again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Mr. Curtis, do you want a final word?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Thank you, Mr. Curtis, for ending on such a positive note.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Advanced Skills Teachers and Special Classes in Mainstream Schools: Discussion (26 Jun 2018)

Fiona O'Loughlin: That is something we will bear in mind in our recommendations and report. I thank all the deputations for their valuable time and contributions. It was an interesting and informative debate. The deputations have given us much to think about. We have heard important information from the point of view of the lived experience as well as the practical side of things in order to make our...

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