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Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: I move amendment No. 23:In page 11, line 3, to delete "6 lay persons" and substitute "4 lay persons".

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: Under Standing Order 62(3)(b) I request that the division be taken again other than by electronic means.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: On the section, the first thing I would like to say-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: I am happy to wait.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: A cup of tea. You mean you are going to rob a bank.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: The first thing I would like to say is not directly related to section 10 but has some relevance. I was very shocked to read in theSunday Independent a vitriolic personal attack on-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: -----Senator Michael McDowell who, I have to say, throughout the debate has been very level headed, reasonable, scrupulous and well informed, as one would expect from a former Attorney General.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: I have not said this before but I did say that it was a bit fat coming from someone who used the Sunday Independent, his own newspaper, in an abuse of privilege. This is the newspaper into which he introduced his son-in-law and his election workers. It is a great advertisement for cronyism.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: I just wanted to make those preparatory remarks.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: The Minister, Deputy Flanagan, cannot reject it because it is the truth. Is he denying the facts?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: He cannot deny the facts.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: I did not name anybody. The Leader should sit down.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: The Leader cannot rebut them, they are the facts.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: It is not unfounded.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: I would like to move on to the kernel of the situation and point out that a member of Sinn Féin, Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh, who I know is not here to defend himself, thought this Bill was a great idea because it would prevent judges with what he described as an anti-republican bias from being appointed to the court.If that is not political interference, I do not know what is. They...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: I beg your pardon. I thought he was looking for the page. I was just trying to be helpful. Sections 35 and 36 read: "GRECO has significant concerns about the composition of an appointments commission as proposed in the Judicial Appointments Bill (as amended on 31 May 2018), [This is a very recent comment, made a month ago, at a maximum] which would place judges in a clear minority...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: No. I do not believe Report Stage will be taken tomorrow because we usually allow a day or two before that.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: Wednesday or Thursday.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: He can have great expectations as much as he likes. I was discussing this matter with Senator McDowell and he referred to the Charles Dickens case of Jarndyce v.Jarndyce, which is an apposite comment. The report further states:GRECO questions if this move is in line with the European standards which in situations where final judicial appointments are taken by the executive, calls for an...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

David Norris: I stated I did not get it from the Government. I believe that Senator McDowell will follow on this. I hope we will speak on the section because Senator McDowell showed me an earlier Bill from the then Senator Ross and I-----

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