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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. Irish Water is a commercial State-owned company that is on the State's balance sheet. It is a matter of transferring the payment. The block grant from the Department will not continue. Instead, Irish Water will pay the equivalent in respect of it. It is a little bit-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is an issue that we will have to get clarified. We might decide to write to Irish Water directly. It is not subject to the committee, but I would expect it to respond to an Oireachtas committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: First, we would ask about Irish Water's dealings with the Valuation Office, how much the company is proposing to pay and how that figure is distributed. The figure will be the Valuation Office's global valuation of the organisation. Second, many of the major water treatment plants are being operated under long-term public-private partnerships. Where do they come into the mix in terms of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: He is the person who retired from the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: He was in there in a personal-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Coincidentally, we were dealing with the issue of procurement earlier in the meeting. We have already indicated that he is going to be invited depending on the work schedule. He is not the Accounting Officer, but the head of the office. In some Departments, the Secretary General is the Accounting Officer for a couple of bodies under the Department. We need both. We will check to see...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will answer. The Accounting Officers can be compelled, but we do not ever want to go that route. He is the head of a Government office, that being, the Office of Government Procurement, and the head of the office should be here, full stop. It is proper practice. If the head of a Government office that gets voted expenditure from the Dáil feels he or she should not attend the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: This morning we are meeting officials from the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine to discuss the 2018 Appropriation Accounts for Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine. We will also be dealing with chapter 10 of the Comptroller and Auditor General report for 2018 in respect of forestry grants. We are joined this morning by the following officials from the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Very unexpectedly, a vote has just been called in the Dáil Chamber on the Industrial Development (Amendment) Bill, from the Seanad. Members must attend. I propose that we suspend and resume immediately after the vote. There is somebody conspiring to keep us here longer than we expected. We did not envisage this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are back in public session and dealing with the Vote and appropriation accounts of the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine and the chapter in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report in respect of forestry grants. We have had the opening statement from the Comptroller and Auditor General and I now ask Mr. Gleeson to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The lead speaker for today's meeting is Deputy Bobby Aylward who has 20 minutes. The second speaker will be Deputy David Cullinane who will have 15 minutes. All other members will have ten minutes each and have indicated in the following sequence: Deputy Catherine Murphy, Deputy Catherine Connolly, Deputy Marc MacSharry and Deputy Kate O'Connell. We will keep strictly to the timing because...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Many people watching may not know what that scheme. I ask Mr. Gleeson to describe the scheme in order that people watching proceedings understand what we are discussing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Farmers have been planting and drawing grants on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is very much appreciated from an urban-based Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is why we want to spell out the details of what we are talking about.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is the Deputy's final question. I have allowed additional time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is the first round of questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Cullinane has two minutes remaining.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I know there was agreement with the recommendations but we want to see implementation. People regularly agree with something and then carry on. We want to know what is happening after the agreement.

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