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Written Answers — Department of Health: Medical Card Appeals (2 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: To ask the Minister for Health when an appeal for a full medical card in respect of a person (details supplied) in County Laois will be finalised; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [41459/12]

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: I have one final question relating to WIT which I should have asked earlier. Was it the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General that conducted the annual audit or was it a private audit? I know Mr. McCarthy was not in charge during 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009, but what did his office's audit uncover or did it uncover these issues? After its audit, did the office write directly to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: I am disappointed to have to say this, but while I understand it was some years ago, I am very disappointed that the audits conducted by the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General in 2006, 2007 and 2008 did not pick up on these issues. We have Waterford Institute of Technology here today to answer questions on what went on in those years. Now, however, we find that the taxpayers'...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: I mean historically, of course. I hope the Comptroller and Auditor General gets my point.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: Just so we all understand, there is €700 million in the bank. In the sector, what percentage – a ballpark figure – of the total income would be State income and student income as opposed to commercial income? Would it be one third of the total income?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: Trinity College would probably be high up.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: Okay. We were given the briefing note for UCD of its income. Direct Exchequer funding, State grants, grants in lieu of fees, State-funded research, deferred capital and the student fees amounts to 80% of its total income. Commercial income is 15% and non-State funded research programmes is 5%. From the taxpayer-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: No, I am including the student fees. We will call the paying public-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: Some of those would be fees from private sources.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: Okay. All I am saying is that €700 million is an excessive figure and, in the run up to the Estimates for the coming year, that figure should be looked at more closely. As that figure is a year out of date, and given the recent audit, is there any way we could get a pen picture of the current position through the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: In regard to the cash balances, I find it extraordinary that the universities are so well off while the primary and secondary schools are experiencing such cuts. I know they will say they have had cuts, reductions in salaries, reductions in grant support and that student numbers have gone up. That is fine but that cash balance would be the envy of most other State organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: I know it will all be spent in the coming months. I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: I have no doubt it will all be spent, but I am just saying that so many other State organisations are suffering from cashflow difficulties and paying interest whereas the universities are sitting on this, even though it is only temporary.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: It is the total college.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: I am not distinguishing the source of income between State grants, grants in lieu of fees, State-funded research, deferred capital income, student fees, non-State funded or commercial income. The income figure for the year the witness has given is €320 million. There are 2,839 whole-time equivalent staff. That translates to €76,436 average staff cost. Can the witness break...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: It is €76,436, and I am not saying: "Let us say." It is the figure of €320 million which the witness gave us and the staff figure of 2,839. One divided into the other gives a total of €76,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: It is the Comptroller and Auditor General's briefing document presented to the committee for its meeting on 27 September. It has six pages. The last sentence of the six page briefing note submitted to us states that Trinity College will be happy to elaborate on any of the issues in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. I am asking a basic question, which is the average staff cost...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: Yes, the witness told me it is €217 million. What is the breakdown of that between academic and non-academic staff?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Seán Fleming: That is fine.

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