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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: If we receive the information on Wednesday we can deal with it on Thursday. We will need it before Thursday morning.

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: I have a related question on the 2012 figure. Is the lump sum that is paid to public sector workers on retirement included in the figure? For example, 9,000 people retired at the end February. Is the lump sum payment after 40 years service included in the 2012 figures?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The figures for 2012 are less than the figures for 2011. I see that figure relates to the pension-related deduction. Is Mr. Fitzpatrick referring to the figures underneath that?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The figure has increased from €285 million to €300 million. Is Mr. Fitzpatrick saying that includes the additional pension because it would have covered the full year plus the retirement lump sum?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Was the halving of sick leave entitlements from 2014 a Labour Court recommendation?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The opening paragraph on page 9 is confusing. It reads, "Clearly, a priority issue for agreement will be to support the achievement of the Government's 2015 target for public service staff numbers of 282,500". The body is beginning to believe it will have a role in 2015 if it is saying this.

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Will the implementation body be around to see it out?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: I refer to the targeted redundancy package mentioned by the Minister. Mr. Fitzpatrick states, again on page 9: "However, the recent collective agreement between public service management and the public service unions on voluntary redundancy terms is important". To what does this refer?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Is this the targeted redundancy agreement referred to by the Minister in the past few days? Is Mr. Fitzpatrick saying there is agreement on it because the trade unions seemed surprised?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: With the HSE. Will Mr. Fitzpatrick do the committee a favour? Will he arrange to send to the committee a copy of the agreement that will be the final word on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: We are told the HSE term is three weeks pay for every year of service, plus statutory redundancy of five weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Therefore, the framework is in place, but who goes for it has yet to be decided.

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Fitzpatrick used the term "enabler" a number of times. Should the body not be a driver? An enabler is able to say, "We are here if you want us to help you."

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The distinction between the agreement and the body's implementation role is good. Mr. Fitzpatrick stated, "The level of co-operation and engagement between the employers, the Government bodies and trade unions is excellent." This is a good phrase for some, but it is a worrying one for others. He also described the engagement as "exemplary". People outside will interpret this as being too...

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: I welcome Mr. Fitzpatrick and Mr. Menton. It is extraordinary that the Minister could not clarify the mystery of the expiry date in the Chamber yesterday and the witnesses cannot help me on it today. I will approach the problem from a slightly different perspective. Approximately how much time elapsed from the Government's decision to commence negotiations on the agreement until its...

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: I am aware of that. It has nothing to do with Mr. Fitzpatrick. I am simply asking whether he has an idea about it. I accept that he may not know.

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: I ask about the agreement rather than how it is being operated.

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Approximately how long did it take to negotiate?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: That was September 2008.

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