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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: I just need to know where the letter that the Comptroller and Auditor General did not receive came from.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: It was after the fact of our report.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Sorry, I will clarify that with the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Which would not suffice from the point of view-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Now that has been explained, in the absence of the board making that decision, why did Mr. O'Donnell go ahead and repay the subsistence?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: A man of Mr. O'Donnell's experience is telling me, to be clear, that he needed the Comptroller and Auditor General to advise that it was not proper practice in line with public service guidelines that he would just change the address.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: There must be a code of conduct.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. O'Donnell said the chair of the board agreed to it. Where have we seen that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Who was the chair of the board at the time?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. O'Donnell is saying categorically, under oath, that Mr. Gorman agreed to his change of work base. Did he just say-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: But there was nothing in writing.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: On that basis, why did Mr. O'Donnell feel the need to pay back the subsistence if he was categoric that he did not do it unilaterally and had the agreement of the former chair?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am sure they were.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Of course I would. I just wonder why it took so long and why it needed to be pointed out to someone in Mr. O'Donnell's position. Why did that need to be pointed out? These are basic rules relating to public office.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Those were different times, I agree-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: That was one error. There was an accumulation of errors that make IFI look like a basket case. For a start, there were uninsured vehicles, which I, as someone who operated as a haulier for years, find incredible, to be honest. It is a jailable offence. The other thing is the leasing of the cottage. Was Mr. O'Donnell aware of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: I know. Would Mr. O'Donnell take responsibility that there was a comedy of errors within IFI?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Does Mr. O'Donnell take any responsibility for that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: I just asked Mr. O'Donnell whether he as CEO would take any responsibility for all of those errors and he said "Why would I?"

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. O'Donnell would be happy that there is nobody claiming travel subsistence within the organisation but would have use of a fuel card categorically.

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