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Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: It is stated that 400 people are in receipt of the honorarium allowance at a total cost of €2.3865 million. There is also a secondment allowance, the total amount payable under which was €3.115 million. What is the nature of each of these allowances?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The very last item on appendix C is the honorarium allowance and the amount listed is €2.3865 million. Approximately four items up from it is the secondment allowance. The latter appears to constitute a very high proportion of the payroll. What is the nature of those allowances?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Some schools have autism classes and these operate during the month of July.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: It is necessary for children with autism to be taught during that month in their schools. Sometimes they can be taught by their own teachers, while on other occasions they are taught by another individual. What is the purpose of the secondment allowance?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: This relates, therefore, to teachers coming into the Department from schools. Relative to people's pay, this allowance appears to be quite high.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: That is one of the more attractive individual allowances. With the exception of the allowance relating to principals, it is higher than the others.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The Chairman will be delighted to hear that this is my final question. Are there payments for attending parent-teacher meetings? Are teachers obliged to attend such meetings outside school hours? What was the outcome of the last benchmarking exercise in the context of teachers' pay? Did those who carried it out conclude that allowances are part of such pay or that teachers would be...

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: I welcome the delegations to the committee. I thank them for helping us in our consideration of allowances. We all know it is a complex area. I think this is one of the most straightforward areas. In truth the word "allowances" has been applied to qualifications, supervision, posts of responsibility and management duties. In my opinion the word "allowances" is a misnomer, they are a...

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: That is exactly what I thought. There may be a few such cases. Have the officials a figure for the number of teachers earning more than €100,000? We regularly table questions on salaries in the public service and we get the figures in the response.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: I presume a number of teachers earn between €100,000 and €110,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The majority of the 58,000 teachers are not earning that, but these figures hit us. Mr. Foghlú mentioned the school principals. I want to give credit to the principals of the large schools. The job of principal is similar to the manager of a major business. What is the staffing level of the largest schools with 1,500 plus pupils? I know of a school with 20 mainstream teachers but...

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The number of SNAs in that school seems very low to me, but the principal must manage 120 staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: I did not see a reference to it in the schedule, but do teachers get paid for supervising exams and correcting exam papers?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: The examination board is under the Department of Education and Skills. Can Mr. Foghlú give an example of a typical payment for supervising the examinations and doing the correcting of the State examination papers?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: What is the amount for supervising the exams? Would some teacher earn €3,000 for supervision and correcting examinations?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Are there any unqualified teachers left in the system at this stage?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Are there many in that category?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: Do they have any qualification?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Education and Skills - Review of Allowances (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: I presume that resource teachers who may be allocated hours in a number of different schools are paid a travelling allowance. Who is responsible for that? It may be stated in the documentation with which we have been provided but I cannot see it. Do normal Civil Service rates apply?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2012)

Seán Fleming: We will meet here at 12 p.m. on Thursday.

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