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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: In policing and security generally, the transition to Fiosrú is a big change. It is not just a name change but a fundamental change. What are the three most important changes that will bring about?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Prior to the new Act, what were the two or three biggest deficiencies in GSOC's powers, in relation to the legislation that was there? Where were the biggest gaps?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: It will allow for a seamless transition on a case from one type of investigation to another.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is okay. Does Mr. Whelan feel that hampered GSOC's work a lot?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: What kind of timeline is there in terms of bringing about the new entity and the major reforms that will happen?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Just on that, the organisation has 29 investigators - it surprised me that the number is so low given that there are 160 staff. I understand the organisation has a lot of other roles to be filled, including supporting roles in administration and management, but it seems the main job of the organisation is to investigate and there are fewer than 30 investigators out of 160 staff. Mr. Justice...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Why is there a problem?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is going to take time though.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: There is an immediate issue here. We have already discussed the number of cases that are outstanding.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I think it was acknowledged here that there is a shortage of actual investigators and a problem recruiting them. I also want to put a follow-on question. Has GSOC, through the Department of Justice, fed this into the Department of further and higher education? One of the things that niggles at me - hardly a week goes by without us dealing with it - is that we are awful in this State at...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: GSOC needs to be more active in following up on what action is being taken. If it has looked for something, it should ascertain what is happening in that regard and whether progress is being made. That is important. I ask that GSOC follow up in that way. The committee should be making a recommendation that the issue needs to be fixed. There is a problem there. I will bring in Ms...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay. I ask Ms Kennelly to convey the importance of the matter to the Secretary General-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: -----and send a response to the committee on it. All morning, we have identified problems, such as those relating to the eight or nine complaints that took between four and five years, the number of complaints coming in and the timeline to deal with them. I understand the process takes time. There are things that cannot be rushed and it takes time to get information and evidence and all...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: What salary are investigators on? What is the average salary?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: How much is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Fifty-four thousand euro to how much?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Would it be between €54,000 and €70,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: It is like a garage without enough mechanics, with a queue of cars outside and no one to fix them.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I know that but Mr. Whelan knows the point I am making. I will now bring in members for a second round of questioning. Each member will have seven minutes and we will see how we get on. We could have some latecomers.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy may want to put another question.

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