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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: How can Mr. Savage talk about making progress when we cannot even get through to the Department? I will leave it at that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: My time is running out and there is a question I did not get to ask. Why are the schemes continually launched without proper systems in place to ensure payments can be made in time? Why do we keep launching the schemes when the Department is not even up to speed on payments for the ones that have gone before that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: I am talking about the ones that have not been paid out under TAMS. Has all the money been paid out under TAMS?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: How many years does it go back?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: When was TAMS 3 launched?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: It was 2023. It is now 2025. How many people here have been waiting for their wages for two years? I will finish on that as my time is up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: I put a lot of work into these questions. Can the witnesses tell us exactly how many payment deadlines the Department has missed in the previous two years and what consequences were there for any of those people? That is what I am told the whole time about not meeting deadlines of payments for people. Does the Department have those figures, no?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: When I was a very young fella when the first two schemes were brought in by the Department of agriculture, every person could fill out their own form but now nobody can. They all have to have specialist advisers to fill out the forms for them. Is this out of the Department's remit completely? Could Mr. Morrin just give a yes-no answer?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: I know that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: I live beside it. I will tell you why they do. The reason is they depend on the money and they are terrified when they get the letters in, that the Department will cut them. Does Mr. Morrin have a percentage of how many farmers the Department has cut payments to?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: No, he does not have it. I will tell him one thing; there are a hell of a lot of them. My follow-up question, is where does that money go? When the Department takes the money out of my pocket and will not pay me, what does the Department do with it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: Well that means the Department did not put it into my pocket.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: Exactly. It was mine. Go ahead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: Where is the money? That is the question I asked. Where is the money?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: No, answer the question. Where is the money?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: Does the Department send it back, does it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: Does the Department send it back?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: Where does the money go?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: The Exchequer, right.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture and Food: Delays in Departmental Scheme Payments: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Jun 2025)

William Aird: No, not unclaimed. The Department will not allow a claimant.

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