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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: Minister-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: The climate action plan contains policies and projects that will result in a reduction of 29%.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: Is the Minister saying those actions are not in the climate action plan?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: So, essentially-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: No, that is enough examples, thank you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: In that regard, what the EPA is saying is that it has not modelled everything because the Government has not actually set down enough information or given the supporting policies for it. One of the measures the EPA talks about is the increases in petrol and diesel about which the Minister spoke. However, that information has not been put down. That was not included because there is no...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: It should not be in the plan then.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: So, what we need-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: Minister, you put stuff in the plan and you implement it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: You do not-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: What the Minister has brought into question is whether the EPA analysis is worthwhile. What he is saying-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: He is saying it cannot model these measures.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: I am very limited on time. My question related to the 2030 targets.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: Can I-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: Can I just-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: I will go back to the issue of the fines. The Minister said it would be in the range of several billion. Does he have money ring-fenced for those fines? Is there any possibility that it will come from the climate and nature fund? I just want to make sure that there is no possibility of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: Does the Minister have a budget? Has he set aside some money for it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: The Minister also made another point earlier. He said that the policy is now for zero-carbon data centres. Is that the official Government policy or is that something he would like to see? My understanding is that it is not written in stone and that it is not actually the policy of the Government.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: Has the Minister issued a direction that there should be no additional data centres unless they are proven to be carbon zero? I have issues with the fact they could be taking from the renewable energy that is required for residential homes. From the perspective of what the Minister said earlier, has he issued a direction?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Finalisation of Draft National Energy and Climate Plan and the National Long-Term Strategy: Discussion (28 May 2024)

Jennifer Whitmore: It is just that the Minister said earlier that data centres would be zero carbon, and this was at his request. Is that official Government policy and is it the case that any data centres that apply from now on will have to be zero carbon?

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