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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I am very familiar with it, having lived there. Our guests assume that Britain would walk away without paying a penny towards pensions despite the huge reputational damage that would be done . Even in those circumstances, they assume that the Irish Government would still pay nearly €2 billion per annum in British debt for which it does not have a legal liability, does it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: London had the power to do it at that time. Is Professor FitzGerald saying it does not have the power to do it now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I saw them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: There are about 110,000 English people living here and many of them are on British pensions. They get them directly from Britain.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: At no cost to the State.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: All right. I have a number of other areas to cover. We make the assumption, as do the professors, that things will stay the same. If we look at the duplication of services we have had since partition, there would obviously not be two services across the island. This would happen over time. Is there a calculation of what benefits would come from that, what would be saved due to that and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Yes, but obviously when we look at all this we are not doing so over a short term. We are not looking at it over a one-, two- or five-year period. We are looking at it-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: This is part of the problem in the assumptions. I wanted to mention it because this is a hugely important conversation. Dr. Adele Bergin and Dr. Seamus McGuinness have done many papers, but they made a key point in their recent one. They argued that necessary planning and preparation goes well beyond the use of frameworks and requires the use of macroeconomics and micro-simulation tools to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Yes, I know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I have one short point to make. Does Professor Morgenroth want to answer my previous question? I really want to talk about the NEETS category as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I know that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Yes. It is a different thing and we have not time today to go into it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Nobody is expecting a miracle, but we are expecting practicality.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I get his point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I am a politician as well. This is absolutely critical and I think the witness underestimates politicians in a sense by putting it all into one category. We absolutely know that we need evidence. The issue with this - and obviously the reason it attracted attention - was that for the first time, it used the €20 billion figure. The focus was so narrow that to have a conclusion like...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I try not to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: My point, however, is that there is life long learning and education investment. One of the most significant things I found in making comparisons between North and South was the introduction of the DEIS programme here and the difference that made. Were a DEIS programme introduced tomorrow morning, looking at the socioeconomic factors that are impacting education, I do not agree with the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: There is. Sorry for interrupting but let me tell you. When you investment in lifelong learning as well, you do not take any of these in isolation. It is like we have here in the South. We know the importance of it. We know the importance of upskilling, of digitisation and all of that. Otherwise we are wasting our time here in respect of the investment we are making in workers, in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Are we wasting our time here in terms of the lifelong education we are doing across the board?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement: All-Ireland Economy: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It is good for productivity.

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