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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Does CHI tender for that? How was that entity appointed?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: An external entity has been appointed to review CHI in terms of governance and all that goes with that. Where is this review at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Has Mr. Fitzpatrick read it?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Fitzpatrick would not know if it was significant or not.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: There is nobody here from the board to tell us if that was or was not significant.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: There is a reference in CHI's financial statements to a review being carried out. All I want to find out is whether that was an external one. Can the witnesses say "Yes" or "No" to that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: -----are included.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General for that. If we get a letter to the Cathaoirleach clarifying how many external and internal reports have been carried out in recent years, it would be very helpful. Regarding cases settled, some of which were with the Workplace Relations Commission, WRC, CHI has given us figures in its financial report for WRC cases. I think the number is...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: There were 38.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: May we have a breakdown? There is no breakdown of them.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: No, there are 38 cases and six went to the WRC. We have a figure for that, and then for the others we do not have any breakdown of the nature of the cases or what they were settled for, and CHI worked with the State Claims Agency. Would it be possible to get details on that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: It is the nature of the claims.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: What Mr. Fitzpatrick is telling me now would be helpful for us. Lots of us are learning about this all the time, and that is only one tiny aspect. I return to the paediatric board and move to the children's hospital. When does it envisage winding up? It was a special purpose vehicle set up for a specific purpose, to build ,design and get a hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: After 18 months-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: -----the board will be redundant. It is just to understand.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I will not have time to go into the minutiae of anything and the witnesses have given figures. Those figures are on the record, but when I look at them, it is less than €1 billion to build the hospital. The additional sum relates to the board, the design and consultants appointed. Is that fair? It is almost a 50:50 balance.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I understand.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Lovely. It would be helpful to get a breakdown of all of that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Many things have changed since then.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: On a rough estimate it seems to be nearly balanced. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe it is 60:40. I am looking at the administration costs, however, and the costs are rising all of the time. I understand inflation and the different reasons, but the board was set up and then there is an oversight body after that under the Department, which I have not even got to. Maybe at some stage we might get...

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