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Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: That is not what I said.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Everyone agrees that there is very little difference in the position between the Opposition and the Government on this. The intentions of both sides of the House are identical. It is the matter of achieving them that we are examining. We need to pay close attention to Minister’s comments on the establishment of a forum model to discuss other constitutional issues. By pushing this...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: Maybe we could take a leap of faith with the Minister. He has shown good faith all day and listened very carefully.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: I find it unpleasant in this debate that male Senators of a certain age are casting a tonal reflection on the Minister. The Minister is a young man. Some of the comments made appear to hint that because he is a young man he is easy capture and prey for the officials. I have known the Minister for 20 years. He is no easy prey for anybody in the Customs House. Anybody there who thought...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: I am testifying to his good character.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: All I am saying is that I have known the Minister, Deputy Kelly, for 20 years. I know no better man. There is no man I would trust more than him in the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government. Earlier, I made the point that I would like some consideration given to the motion. As legislators we can only speak to the amendment before us.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: If the Senator were to provide the Minister with alternative wording, it could be considered on Report Stage.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: If my good friend requires me as a member of the Government to provide the Opposition with a-----

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: If the Opposition wants the Government to provide an amendment, it indicates they are not really doing their job.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: As legislators we know we may only speak to the amendments as tabled. I hope we are all agreed on that at least.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The Senator should try it.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The term "in principle" has nothing to do with legislation.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: It is a little offensive to be called Government fodder.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The Senator said I am "Government fodder".

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The Senator owes me a little more respect.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: We can only speak to the amendment as tabled. Even the proposer of the amendment has conceded that the consultative forum may not be the best place for this to happen.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The Senator did say that.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: The record will show that is what the Senator said. In my view, Senator Zappone has probably made the most sense today. I would welcome the Minister's comments on what she had to say. For the Minister to say that he will consider the possibility of a referendum or appoint a person or body to do so does not mean that he has backtracked on anything he already said. It is only possible to...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: If Senators wish to play to the gallery with flowery words and funny phrases they can do so, but if we want to do our job as legislators then let us do so by speaking to the amendment as drafted. I suggest that the proposer of the amendment go away and redraft it in a way that, perhaps, Labour Party Senators, who have supported the idea of a referendum, might well be able to support. In...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

John Gilroy: On a point of order, the Minister has no role in ruling amendments out of order.

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