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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Did the committee have prior knowledge with regard to the two other flights?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Okay. So what happened is that the representatives from WIT informed the committee about one flight and they then presented an invoice to the Comptroller and Auditor General's office. Subsequently, the Comptroller and Auditor General noticed that there was a three-month gap between the flight to which the invoice related and the flight about which the representatives informed the committee....

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: This was for the hiring of a second private jet.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Could Mr. Ó Foghlú repeat that explanation?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: When was it issued?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: From the previous-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: To whom was it issued?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: What happened in this instance beggars belief. I refer to the fact that the invoices relating to the president of an institute of technology hiring a private jet were mixed up. I reiterate that this beggars belief. At our previous meeting, those present stated that they had got to the bottom of what was going on and that everything had been flushed out. However, we have now discovered...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: We should get that information. However, before we deal with that matter-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Okay. Reference was made to the fact that the purpose of the second flight - about which we are discovering information for the first time - may have been to get the passenger to a meeting with the then Taoiseach. Could Mr. Ó Foghlú elaborate further on that matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Does Mr. Ó Foghlú know where the meeting took place?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: So it took place in St. Luke's. What was discussed at the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: What was the focus of that work?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: The Chairman has asked nearly every question I was planning to ask. When this meeting is concluded I will request that we go into private session to discuss how this meeting is being conducted. I was in attendance for the entire meeting last week and I want to have a discussion about how the Chairman has conducted this meeting because he has been speaking for half an hour.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: We will deal with it. The opening statement was provided to all members of the committee. I invested a lot of time in preparing for this meeting. I want to have a discussion on how this meeting is being conducted and how information has been given to us. I return to the matter of the flights. In our meeting last week we were given the information about one flight but we are now informed...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Will the Secretary General provide the dates, please?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Is it known who was on each of these flights?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Has it been possible to confirm that he was one of the party of three?

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