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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: From the previous-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: To whom was it issued?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: What happened in this instance beggars belief. I refer to the fact that the invoices relating to the president of an institute of technology hiring a private jet were mixed up. I reiterate that this beggars belief. At our previous meeting, those present stated that they had got to the bottom of what was going on and that everything had been flushed out. However, we have now discovered...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: We should get that information. However, before we deal with that matter-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Okay. Reference was made to the fact that the purpose of the second flight - about which we are discovering information for the first time - may have been to get the passenger to a meeting with the then Taoiseach. Could Mr. Ó Foghlú elaborate further on that matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Does Mr. Ó Foghlú know where the meeting took place?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: So it took place in St. Luke's. What was discussed at the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: What was the focus of that work?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: The Chairman has asked nearly every question I was planning to ask. When this meeting is concluded I will request that we go into private session to discuss how this meeting is being conducted. I was in attendance for the entire meeting last week and I want to have a discussion about how the Chairman has conducted this meeting because he has been speaking for half an hour.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: We will deal with it. The opening statement was provided to all members of the committee. I invested a lot of time in preparing for this meeting. I want to have a discussion on how this meeting is being conducted and how information has been given to us. I return to the matter of the flights. In our meeting last week we were given the information about one flight but we are now informed...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Will the Secretary General provide the dates, please?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Is it known who was on each of these flights?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Has it been possible to confirm that he was one of the party of three?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: It is extraordinary that last week's committee meeting had a long discussion about one flight and on foot of that discussion, we now find out there were three flights.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: I have a question on a matter the Chairman himself raised at a recent meeting. Where do we stand with regard to the skills fund investigation? The Comptroller and Auditor General indicated that his office was involved in a matter. When will this come back to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: Thank you.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: I have one question in this regard. Has the scheduled meeting on 9 October concerning the HSE been confirmed?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: I have a quick question about our role in striking a balance. The Chairman stated it was important to bring in the ICTU for this reason. Will one appearance by the ICTU, given the numerous sittings planned, allow for the level of balance and variety of opinion required to make for a successful investigation? By the time the ICTU appears before us, our hearing with the Department of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

Paschal Donohoe: I am simply asking the question. In respect of the hearing on the figure of €600 million spent in the education sector, should we not get the perspective of employees as part of that session? Similarly in the case of the Defence Forces, should the representative group which issued a statement this week on allowances be included in that session?

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