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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: Will the Department examine the new measure?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: I appreciate that.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: My comments are in a similar vain. Can the Minister provide the last year's figure on the number of individuals who are not paid by their employer and could be affected by the provision? I refer to those who are on maternity leave but have not been paid by their employer that would be caught by this new tax and would have a reduced benefit as a result. Has the Minister statistics that can...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: Amendment No. 7 is my amendment-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: That is not my question. A motion was passed by the Dáil yesterday which allows for this committee to deal with amendments which would have a potential charge on the State. Our understanding was, when we asked the officials in the Department of Finance, that this was a blanket approach and not just for Government but also for the Opposition.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: I know Standing Orders state that is the case but a motion was passed in the Dáil yesterday which dealt with this committee and the Finance Bill and which allowed for amendments to be put forward which involved a charge on the State. We sought clarification that it applied not only to the Minister and were told it was a blanket approach and would allow the committee to deal with...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: Are any of the officials here? It was a finance motion.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: I am reluctant to proceed because we have amendments on which I would like clarification.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: With respect, the Chairman's ruling-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: I will respect the Chairman but the ruling was made before the motion was placed before the Dáil.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: On a point of order-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: Section 6 relates to the-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: We would like a bit of latitude; otherwise, we will just oppose every section until we-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: I understand the Chairman has been very flexible. Although the amendments to section 5 have been ruled out of order, I commend the Minister on the review of research and development tax credits, which is overdue. The deadline for submissions is the end of this month. My amendment was not about striking out this section on 75% to 50% but was about a commencement order. If we are having a...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: The point about the research and development tax credits is that while it can be a very important incentive for driving economic activity, there is potential for them to be misused. Hopefully, the review will find there is not misuse of them but the point is they could be misused. While there may be no cost - it will not affect the Exchequer one way or the other - because the company is...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: I will move on, because we have had a full debate on this matter. I did not say the Minister had pulled the property tax out of the sky. I am well aware it was in the Thornhill report, in the troika programme and previously in the four-year plan. What I am saying is that I would love to see the analysis that the Minister claims the Department has done with regard to those people in...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: The Minister is missing the point and perhaps he is doing so deliberately. This is not about cost benefit analysis. The cost benefit analysis carried out heretofore relates to whether it would be beneficial to the economy to do X, Y or Z. I refer, for example to whether it would be beneficial to cut off legacy property tax reliefs, reduce the rate of VAT and so forth. What we are seeking...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: I agree with Deputy Michael McGrath. The Minister's focus on a cost-benefit analysis is fine. One does not need to carry out a cost-benefit analysis of every section of the Finance Bill. The issues of magnitude which warrant a cost-benefit analysis should be analysed. I want to be careful in my words. The Department has not carried out a cost-benefit analysis of some schemes, to which we...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: The Department has not carried out a cost-benefit analysis of some schemes. For example, it is extending the special assignee relief programme, SARP, but it does not even know how many applied last year. I do not understand the rationale used within the Department which has no figures for the SARP, but it is extending it. It does not know whether it is working.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Mar 2013)

Pearse Doherty: The SARP.

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