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Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is not that anybody knows how to address you because everybody feels they know you, so-----

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is like when you call me "Deputy". We can leave all that aside as it is superfluous. The reality is that Mr. Tubridy will have seen Adrian Lynch, the interim director general, say it was possible that Mr. Tubridy did know about this prior to his announcement.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is it Mr. Tubridy's view that Mr. Lynch threw him under the bus with that connotation?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Okay. I will move to Mr. Tubridy's statement. He has outlined seven untruths. To be fair, he has come here to give his side of the story. As Deputies, we need to hear both sides and find the truth in between. Mr. Tubridy has outlined seven untruths in his statement. My question is perhaps for Mr. Kelly too. Is it the view of the two gentlemen that those untruths were intended to...

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: But is it Mr. Tubridy's view that those untruths were intended to deceive?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: In Mr. Kelly's case, at some point Mr. Collins was asked why he did not ask questions about the invoices being raised with "consultancy fees" as the description. I do not want to misquote, but the intimation was that he was aware that Mr. Kelly and Dee Forbes had a particularly close relationship-----

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: -----but that is not what Mr. Kelly said earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: In Mr. Kelly's view, why would Mr. Collins be of that opinion-----

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: -----or why would he express it in that way?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is it Mr. Kelly's view that Mr. Collins intended to deceive this committee?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: The notes we received, which we received late this morning, are quite comprehensive in discarding what Mr. Tubridy and Mr. Kelly believe to be untruths. My definition of an "untruth" is a lie. If it is not true, it is a lie.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Are the witnesses able to say, in their view, that RTÉ and those representing it lied to this committee?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: I do not need to be careful because the definition of an "untruth" is-----

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: On that, have pre-litigation letters been issued on behalf of both Mr. Tubridy and Mr. Kelly at this point?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: I just want to clarify a number of issues. Mr. Kelly named Trish Whelan. Did Trish Whelan work for his office?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: And Katrina Faughnan?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: They are both in RTÉ legal. I want to go back because I have been trying to put myself in Dee Forbes's shoes for the past couple of weeks. I want the witnesses to give me an outline of the situation pre-19 December. Is there any contemporaneous note on what gave rise to that email or the meeting that took place beforehand? We start, if I am not mistaken, on 19 December, with Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am trying in my head to figure out what it was that Mr. Kelly put to Dee Forbes that led to RTÉ, as he says, coming up with the plan or scheme to give €75,000. What gave rise to it?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Was it the position that had that €75,000 not been on the table, Mr. Tubridy would have walked from his contract?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: There was no pressure put on Ms Forbes in which there was-----

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