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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: The reality here is that Mr. Lynch has made a statement but we know from the tone of the emails that we have seen documented by the previous witnesses. Ms Breda O'Keefe came in and gave the impression that absolutely everybody in RTÉ was opposed to underwriting the agreement. However that is not the evidence that we have on record and RTÉ has not counteracted that and neither does...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: It should be on the record that there is not an ounce of credibility to back up what either of these witnesses is saying.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: To whom did Geraldine O'Leary make it clear? That is the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: I will ask Mr. Lynch to revert to something he said earlier. He said that it was belief from watching Noel Kelly's evidence that he believed that Renault was paying the invoices.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: But that is not your belief, is it?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Let me just read what Mr. Lynch said in his opening statement this morning. He said: "Moreover, we contend...". This is Mr. Lynch's statement, but he said "we". By "we", he means RTÉ. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Okay. So it states "we contend that the payments of €75,000 per year for the second and third year of the commercial contract were pursued by NK Management despite it knowing that the Renault contract was no longer in place."

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: So which is correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: No, what you have stated is that he knew. What you stated here is "despite it knowing that the Renault contract was no longer in place". Yet, Mr. Lynch states that from watching Mr. Kelly's evidence he firmly believed that Renault paid it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Let me just ask then in relation to what Mr. Lynch said about Ms O'Leary. The email that we have received in documented evidence of 29 April has been read into the record. It is to Geraldine O'Leary and it has been signed by a "J". Is that from Jim Jennings to Ms O'Leary?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is a junior member of staff. Does Mr. Lynch not have any email to show who asked that question? Was it the case that Geraldine O'Leary wrote to the junior member and asked and then forwarded that information? It just says, as Deputy Ó Cathasaigh pointed out, "As discussed. G".

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is a junior member of staff. I just want to get this right because I find this difficult. The junior member of staff is actually given an instruction. Is Mr. Lynch saying that they are junior to the commercial director?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Right. So the junior member of staff gives information in an email to the commercial director that states: "Hi Geraldine, ... invoice addressed as follows: and in Euro". She gives the name and address of ASTUS. It states "this is for Noel" and it quotes the VAT number. It further states "Do not put any person's name on the invoice. If he sends It back to me I will then sort everything...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Right.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: She got this from someone who was obviously in a senior position, other than Ms O'Leary.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Correct, so I think we can read between the lines that that had to be the other person who was contained. Is there a reason why we do not know who she got the information from or why you are not revealing that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: But we got these emails from Mr. Tubridy and Mr. Kelly, not from you. These emails are-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: So you have no other email that gives us any other information?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Right. Okay. Well, I find that really difficult. I really do. Is there an inference from what you are saying about the agreement not being signed up to May that there was no contractual obligation until that was signed?

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