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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: All right.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I want to clarify if any of it went on administration. That is the main question. The second question arises from Mr. Quinn's answer. Why was money that was allocated by the Government returned and not given out? That amount was allocated by the Government to give to the victims of flooding.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I ask Mr. Quinn to answer the question on the spare parts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I have that. My question is: why was there no analysis of that? How could the Department sell the spare parts off for €53,000 if almost 50% of them were not second-hand? Where was the certification? Why was there no certification? Why did the Gulfstream people come back and say there was no certification?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It was through Gulfstream.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Can Mr. Quinn justify €53,000? This question was asked by a previous Deputy. The Department was not under pressure regarding the spare parts. Unfortunately, I will have to come back to Mr. Quinn at the end. He is getting off the hook regarding that. I will come back to him.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I intended to ask a question about obsolete stocks tied in with the issue of spare parts. The figure for obsolete stocks jumped from €4.9 million to €8.2 million. Will Mr. Quinn talk to us about this? I am caught on spare parts where the glib - I will take away that word - where there were new parts. It was nearly 50% of them. There was no certification. When I left in a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Can he elaborate on those two aspects for me? I will then come back to the interdepartmental report, very briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What level of obsolete stock is that, or what percentage?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It is €8.2 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It is the big jump from 14 points to 15 points that is the problem. There is a big jump of four points.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Tying that to the spare parts, how can there be spare parts for which there is no certification? I note that 50% of them were bought new.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: At the point where the jet was being sold.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am talking about spare parts that are there to the value of €1.4 million when that goes down to €53,000. We have said all this and I will not repeat it. What I am trying to get at is why there was no certification.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: But 50% were new.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: So, the certification would have been there at some stage when it was bought originally. Mr. Quinn is saying ongoing certification is needed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Somebody might be, of all the gentlemen over there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: At this point I think I will leave this theoretical €1.4 million in spare parts that just becomes €53,000 because we have gone through it. However, the point has been made. I am not happy with that. The interdepartmental group was established prior to the sale of the jet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Afterwards.

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