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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is a junior member of staff. Does Mr. Lynch not have any email to show who asked that question? Was it the case that Geraldine O'Leary wrote to the junior member and asked and then forwarded that information? It just says, as Deputy Ó Cathasaigh pointed out, "As discussed. G".

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is a junior member of staff. I just want to get this right because I find this difficult. The junior member of staff is actually given an instruction. Is Mr. Lynch saying that they are junior to the commercial director?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Right. So the junior member of staff gives information in an email to the commercial director that states: "Hi Geraldine, ... invoice addressed as follows: and in Euro". She gives the name and address of ASTUS. It states "this is for Noel" and it quotes the VAT number. It further states "Do not put any person's name on the invoice. If he sends It back to me I will then sort everything...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Right.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: She got this from someone who was obviously in a senior position, other than Ms O'Leary.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Correct, so I think we can read between the lines that that had to be the other person who was contained. Is there a reason why we do not know who she got the information from or why you are not revealing that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: But we got these emails from Mr. Tubridy and Mr. Kelly, not from you. These emails are-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: So you have no other email that gives us any other information?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Right. Okay. Well, I find that really difficult. I really do. Is there an inference from what you are saying about the agreement not being signed up to May that there was no contractual obligation until that was signed?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is what Mr. Lynch is saying. So had there been no performance of the contract prior to May?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: So as far as Mr. Lynch is concerned, even though it was contained within the other contract that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: The spring of 2021. Right. Again, we do not have evidence that supports anything, from the emails that end when Ms O'Keeffe goes away and retires, until April again. We have no contemporaneous note of any description. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: As to where it landed in between. From the time it was in almost a contract form – where the last email we have says that the contracts are prepared to be drawn up – is there nothing in between?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: It was already contained in the email of 20 August.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Which as Deputy Catherine Murphy pointed out, was almost - I just want to ask Mr. Bakhurst again if he has confidence in Mr. Lynch.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: A Chathaoirligh, there is something wrong with introducing text messages from somebody into this discussion. My God.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: On a point of order, we need to address the fact Ms O'Keeffe has said she has nothing further to add to this committee and has not come before us today. I am at a loss to know exactly how seriously Mr. Lynch is taking this, when he thought it was appropriate to correspond though text message in the middle of our committee meeting and was going to deliver a message from someone who has...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: On a point of order, I am at a loss to know how we can do business like that and how Mr. Bakhurst can have confidence in him. That is so serious. I am not sure Mr. Lynch understands the seriousness of what is actually happening here.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Verona Murphy: Unfortunately, the member that he-----

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