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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: With the Chairman's permission, I will continue the way I am going.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I said at the outset that I appreciate Mr. O'Driscoll does not have the relevant personnel with him today but I am being either opportunistic or efficient in the use of time. I will put these questions to the witnesses and I am quite happy, if they are not in a position to give a view on them-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: -----that they would revert to us in writing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: No. I am neither an investigator nor an officer of the law.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Consequent to some initial research before the last meeting, and considerably more since, questions have emerged. I am not alleging any criminality.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I am raising matters of concern, which I feel prudence demands require investigation by the Department, in the first instance. I am more than happy with, and welcome, the suggestion to send a transcript of the meeting to the Garda. The Secretary General of the Department and, consequently, the Irish Prison Service will have these questions on record and I have no doubt they will be of concern.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I am not a judge.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I have concerns and I think it would be a matter of public interest to put them in the public domain-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: -----so that they do receive the appropriate level of inquiry. It would be great if all the inquiries came back and definitively outlined there was nothing to see here, but prudence demands that we go there. This is not a vexatious attempt by me to spread falsities. Does PMDS exist in the Department of Justice and Equality?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Can Mr. O'Driscoll briefly outline how that works for senior executive officers or people like that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Does it automatically go to more senior people and ultimately, perhaps to Mr. O'Driscoll himself or to a principal officer for sign-off, to say that is grand and their supervisor-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Is there scoring involved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Would the results be relevant to increments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Would the results be relevant to promotional prospects? If an executive officer was applying for a job as an assistant principal, would someone assessing that application go back through the PMDS and see that the executive officer was satisfactory in the past five years and that is good?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I have no doubt about that but would it form part of it, in terms of-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: -----the Public Appointments Service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: External candidates would not have PMDS because it is predominantly in the public sector.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I appreciate that the Department will come back to me in writing. Are the Department or Irish Prison Service management in Longford aware of allegations that PMDS exists in name only within prisons, with scoring being picked at random and often subjectively determined by the relevant governor, rather than informed by the proper processes laid down when it was introduced and with ongoing...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(4 Apr 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I do not want to lose the point here.

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