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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: What sort of figures are they? That is not Ms Feehily's department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Coincidentally, we can ask that this afternoon as the Taoiseach will be before a committee with the Government Chief Whip to discuss the Estimates for his Department, and there will be a discussion on the Estimate for the CSO. I will ask the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: I have referred some of my questions to it and I accept its view.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: What about the company's audited financial statements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: The company has been asked to revert by the end of June.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Ms Feehily should ensure it answers the question to her satisfaction, and what is put in the VIES returns should reconcile with the audited financial statements. The €200 million is a theoretical figure and I do not know the breakdown between the VAT rate on goods versus services. Nevertheless, it is a figure that demonstrates a risk. The annual report published last week mentioned...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: When the Revenue Commissioners write to companies seeking a VAT number, according to a report there is no new check to see if the new VAT number is correct.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Can the VIES rules be changed without an EU process?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Ms Feehily has given us information today that was not included in her response in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report or the documentation we received last week by way of follow-up information. It would be helpful if Ms Feehily would give the information she has given us today to the secretary of the committee. I do not believe any member of the committee had that information...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: What is the estimate? When reading this chapter yesterday I noted how at a macro level Revenue can tie up the exports in the trade figures declared in VAT returns versus CSO figures. I would take some comfort if there was a particular person in an office carrying out reasonable checks. I understand it will never be possible to do an exact reconciliation. Do the VIES returns come in every...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: In terms of the cost to business - I understand Ms Feehily's point on the need to reduce costs - I am sure the Irish Revenue Commissioners were part of the European wide revenue network that drew up this scheme. If not, it should have been.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: That explains it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps Ms Feehily would explain the reason all of the exports of goods and services are not encompassed by VIES. Do the remainder of the amounts relate to exports outside the EU?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Do they relate to internal trade?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Could Ms Feehily repeat the figures?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: In other words, 40% of our trade is outside the EU.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: There is some comfort in that. Page 159 of the report refers to under-reporting, in particular by one company as mentioned earlier by the Comptroller and Auditor General. Ms Feehily said that Revenue has met with the company and has undertaken assessments, the result of which was that the under-reporting was because of changes to an IT system. I would imagine that exports to the EU by a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: I thank Ms Feehily and her colleagues for their attendance to discuss an issue that many people find difficult to grasp. I have read the report, Revenue's responses to same and the documentation that Revenue sent the committee last week in advance of this meeting. Having also read Ms Feehily’s statement, my impression is that Revenue does not take the issue seriously. The Accounting...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Will we have three Accounting Officers here?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: This is very interesting and I ask the Chairman to indulge me for a minute. The Garda Commissioner will be involved. Often in our work we find that other peripheral bodies are involved. Will we be at a disadvantage if the Accounting Officers are not present? Witnesses may tell us an issue is above their pay grade.

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