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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: It was after the Tánaiste's remarks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: I would describe Deputy Cullinane's characterisation differently. No options have been taken off the table. Let me state that clearly. If, however, we were to pursue a CPO option, there would be significant risks. First, you may not get the CPO. Second, you are adding significant time to the project regardless. Third, this is meant to be a partnership. As such, it needs to be entered...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: My understanding is it was not consulted. The details of this are still being worked out between the line Departments and the stakeholder groups.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: The Deputy is asking me for details relating to a time when he and I were in opposition. In regard to what exactly happened with the previous Government in respect of statements, that is something I can ask the Department for a note on, but it is not something I was aware of. Deputy Lahart and I were in opposition at the time. However, we can certainly ask to get a note from the Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: Based on the proposal and the constitution of the board, the reserved powers of the National Maternity Hospital mean that the board cannot act other than in accordance with full clinical and operational independence. The Deputy might be referring to a potential situation where senior clinicians, mainly obstetricians, appointed might refuse to carry out operations or influence operations in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: The answer to that query really, though, is what the National Maternity Hospital does currently. Does it currently provide all services? The answer is that it does. It is on the record that many of the-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: To answer the Deputy's second question, I am informed that the answer is "No", that there are not. If one or two procedures are unavailable, it is for clinical reasons and not because of any ethos. Returning to the Deputy's opening point-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: It may be a clinical specialty or facilities.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: Different hospitals obviously offer different services across Ireland, whether that is in obstetrics and gynaecology or other services. I looked into this, because this point was raised at a previous committee meeting. I asked if all services were being provided in the National Maternity Hospital and in St. Vincent's Hospital. I was told that they were. I also took a look at the charter...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: I think it is about €300 million a year. However, I will ask the officials for the details.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: Was the Deputy asking that as a question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: That is correct.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: I would prefer to get a detailed note on that aspect, if I could. I do not have that information in front of me right now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: Could we try to buy out the entire site of the hospital at Elm Park? Maybe we could. However, we would be talking about a vast amount of money.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: We are and-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: I thank Deputy Lahart. Chair, I cannot see the clock so I do not know the time. Can I respond briefly to Deputy Lahart?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: On St. Vincent's, I have had confirmation in recent weeks that all medical procedures in accordance with the law of the land are available at St. Vincent's, including pregnancy termination, tubal ligation and gender reassignment procedures. The information I, as Minister for Health, get as to the number of terminations does not specify the locations, but I can confirm that. Buying out a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: Why does Deputy Shortall find it hard to accept?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (14 Jul 2021)

Stephen Donnelly: That is not true.

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