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Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is a charge on a person's house which Revenue will collect at some stage.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: How many houses have been sold to pay off the outstanding loan?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Healy is great to answer blunt questions in such a straight manner. The way public services are going is frightening, especially in the way everything is compartmentalised. The expressions used, including "money following the patient", amount to open privatisation. If there are two people in a house, for example, my husband and I and we need care, is the maximum figure 22%?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: If my daughter or son is in the house, a three-year residency period applies.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Can Revenue not state it needs the money in such cases?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: If two people in a house need nursing home care, does the percentage go up?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: For each person.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am asking if the figure of 7.5% per year will apply to me and my husband if we both need nursing home care.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: By 2031 some 1 million people are expected to be over 65 years, the vast majority of whom will be healthy and not need nursing home care. Over 60% of the current budget for the provision of services for older people goes towards providing long-term residential care. Only 4% of the population are in long-term nursing home care. Most of the money is being put into private nursing homes, with...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What is the relevant percentage?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is there a policy decision in this area and is the HSE working to change it, in recognition of the fact that most people want to stay at home?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Will Mr. O'Brien please reply in English? What is the HSE planning to do to help people to stay in their own homes? Mr. O'Brien says it wants to keep public nursing homes, but it is like CIE in that he is saying the HSE has to keep them because others are not interested in the high-dependency section.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Could we tie in some lunch, for ourselves and the witnesses?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I wish to clarify a few things. I had that page marked in regard to the therapies that were excluded in 4.3. They are not counted in. The service is not funded. The Chairman has referred to them. To clarify, all therapies are not covered and social programmes are not covered. Are they covered somewhere else then?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I do not understand that. If I was talking to somebody who was going into unit six or seven in Merlin Park in Galway-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Yes that is a public service. The cost of care is determined in the following way.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is okay, but when it comes to private nursing homes, are they excluded or are they taken into account?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: So a person, as well as paying for everything we have outlined so far such as giving up 80% of his or her pension and whatever else, will also have to pay for therapies.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: But if they are not?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. O'Brien. I have a few quick questions about the 22%. To clarify the issue on the basis of my being assessed today, for example, if the economy is booming and prices are rising, one is left with a big charge on one's house.

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