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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: I mentioned Mozambique. It might have some bearing on the office of Mr. Carlos. I referred to the skills sets that do not exist. Generally, we felt the financial management system is a decent system but is dependent on trained staff to deal with it. If there is one area lacking, it is in that. It does not just apply to the office but throughout the civil service in that country. We...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: I am talking about the Administration. There are not enough accountants and auditors in the Office of the Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: That is happening wholesale.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Before Mr. Rogers answers, I have a further question for him. In 2011, irregularities were discovered in the use of funds in four countries which had previously received grants from the Global Fund which addresses AIDS. The fund identified some €43 million which was not accounted for, of which to date €19 million has been recovered. How much of our money as invested in the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: That is fair. Mr. Cooney mentioned Ethiopia and the qualified and unqualified audits in 2009. The figure of 23% qualified audit struck me. Of €27.9 million in Irish Aid funding audited in 2009, €6 million was the subject of qualified audits and an action plan resulted. Can Mr. Cooney set out the progress on foot of the action plan to date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: The issue arises as to qualified versus unqualified audit. Has there been an improvement from the 7% qualified audit figure across programme countries in 2009?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: In Ethiopia in 2009, the 23% qualified-audit statistic gave rise to the need for an action plan. What was the result of the implementation of the action plan?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Mr. Cooney cannot yet answer the question with regard to other programme countries as the evaluation and audit unit is dealing with it. I asked about the specific fragment of the report which I read out with regard to no receipts being on file for payments to the Ugandan Government in 2010 and 2011.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: The report states in some instances receipts were not on file.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: The report also states receipts obtained were not adequately specific and did not have the level of detail required and that ideally receipts should detail any subsequent transfer of funds to specific accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: I will continue. As far as the report is concerned financial management as set out in the memorandum of understanding was not sufficiently followed up by the donors in terms of ensuring they had a clear and proper overview of funding and expenditure in the programme. However, they could not have had such overview because another fragment of the report stated that the peace, recovery and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: However, we never asked for it and we did not track it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: It is not just basic financial oversight which is an issue, it is also the structure of the programme and this was identified in the report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: Fair enough. I must return to my question on the other programme countries. Is the answer that the evaluation and audit unit is examining the other programme countries to determine whether the same basic shortcomings were repeated elsewhere? Has it been determined whether this is the case or whether we do not have these problems? Which one is it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: From my perspective, having read the report and looked into this, those who perpetrated this knew the follow-up and requisite financial checking systems were not being employed by the donors and used this to their advantage. They saw an opportunity, which was partly created by the piecemeal nature of the PRDP as well as the fact that in some cases donors throughout the system, including...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: I welcome Mr. Cooney and his officials here this morning. I will go straight into the interim report on Uganda and the €4 million that was misappropriated. I understand that the money will be in our account within the next couple of days, which is good news. I do understand that this affair has had a profound impact politically and otherwise in Uganda. It is fair to say that the...

Written Answers — Department of Environment, Community and Local Government: Foreshore Licences (12 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: To ask the Minister for Environment, Community and Local Government further to Parliamentary Question No. 444 of 17 July 2012, the position regarding a foreshore licence application by Waterford County Council to enable repairs to be carried out to a pier (details supplied) in County Waterford; if he will ensure that there are no further delays; and when he expects this licence will issue....

Written Answers — Department of Finance: Illegal Moneylenders (11 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: To ask the Minister for Finance the number of licences that have issued to moneylenders; the number of convictions in each of the past five years for illegal trading as a moneylender; the checks, if any, that are carried out by the Central Bank of Ireland on licensed moneylenders to ensure they are charging the declared interest rate; his plans to cap the rate of APR charged by moneylenders;...

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Foreign Language Assistant Scheme (11 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: To ask the Minister for Education and Skills the grants or funding made available to primary or post primary schools for the provision of foreign language skills; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [55212/12]

Written Answers — Department of Environment, Community and Local Government: Fire Service (11 Dec 2012)

John Deasy: To ask the Minister for Environment, Community and Local Government the number of call outs in each of the fire stations in Waterford City and county in each of the past five years. [55222/12]

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