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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: They are both of a similar timeline. We ran two expressions of interest processes in the sector, one around healthcare places, which included pharmacy, and one around veterinary places - myself and the Minister, Deputy Donnelly, in the case of healthcare and myself and the Minister, Deputy McConalogue, in the case of veterinary. We are now preparing our submissions to the capital review...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: Two thirds are owned privately and one third is owned by the colleges.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: I would not have the knowledge on that but two thirds are not owned by the colleges and are in private hands.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: Not being funny but because they are private, I would not have a database of their ownership status. I am sure it is available but it is not necessarily in my Department. Certainly, a third of the 48,000 of these places are owned by the colleges and I can provide the Deputy with a breakdown of that and where they are. Two thirds are owned privately.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: I can indeed. Can the Deputy send me the details, please, so that I can understand where the person was renting a room-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: -----in their home.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: And were applying for a SUSI grant.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: And were refused a SUSI-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: One does not require to have a tenancy agreement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: Yes-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: I will be happy to get clarity and to come back to the Deputy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: I am hoping that is a typo. We might need to do some more classes-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: Sure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: I do not have a breakdown by ETB with me but I can get one for the Deputy. Nationally the number of people doing PLC courses is up-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: -----and is up quite significantly. SOLAS has spoken about this publicly and has produced figures on it. In general, the number of people doing PLC courses has risen, the trend is rising and is likely to continue to rise because of the demographics. I am happy to try to get under the bonnet of this and I do not want to interrupt the Deputy's question. I met Education and Training Boards...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: I will get the Deputy more comprehensive note because I wonder if the parliamentary questions are just referring to PLCs specifically and were probably missing the mapping out in that answer with regard to traineeships, apprenticeships and tertiary degree programmes which could be available between the ETB and the technological universities. I would be very happy to ask the ETB to brief the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: Very much so. My impression would be that LWETB is doing that and is doing that well. We have been doing these regional dialogues, which have been quite good, where we have been going to regions and having all the education players at a tertiary level to come into a room to discuss provision and their plans for their region, whether it is an ETB, a research centre, a technological...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: Let us get clarity, because I know it to be a very proactive ETB with an excellent chief executive and with a great deal of demand. Let me just check that that parliamentary question did not too narrowly capture the information the Deputy was looking for.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on Key Issues: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (24 Jan 2024)

Simon Harris: On the national tertiary office and the national tertiary degrees, which, as the Deputy said, are the first time we have provided degree programmes outside of the CAO points system, he is correct to say 23 courses were identified. I will get him a breakdown, because I do not have one to hand, but I can tell him from my own knowledge and from going around the country and engaging with people...

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