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Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: So if the land is worth €500,000, is it taken at 7% over three years?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: That means that most farmers could have to sell land just to pay for it.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It is over three years, I think; there is a length of time mentioned.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Why is it not capped at three years like a domestic house with a three-year cap at a maximum of 7%? Why is the land not capped at three years?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: That is a reason why farmers should be treated like that. The phrase, "fair deal" contains two nice words. It is a reason why a farm should not be sold off on the son to pay for it. It should be capped at three years. There should be the same fair deal for everyone and everyone should be treated equally.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: When will the review take place?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: When will the same rules apply to farms as to domestic houses?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Is the loan system the same for the farm as for the domestic house in that whoever inherits has to pay the loan off when the person dies?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It is treated the same as a domestic house.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I have some more questions. Perhaps my first is a question for HIQA rather than the Department. There were investigations that uncovered bad things happening in nursing homes, in Galway etc. Does the Department have any input or anything to say on those discoveries?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Yes. It is one but there are others.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Does the HSE play a role in making sure this is not happening anywhere else?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: My final points are local. Thomastown has a nursing home in Kilkenny and for years HIQA has told us it is not up to scratch because, as the witness referenced, it is an old building and there are fire hazards. There are supposed to be plans in place to build a new hospital and there is land on a greenfield site. I wonder how advanced that is as I am told HIQA has warned the HSE on numerous...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: What is the timescale?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: That is for the building of the new hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I am told the existing building is a fire hazard. My sister works there and I have been told by nurses that if there was a serious fire in the morning, God forbid, I do not know what would happen.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It will be 2021.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Are you thinking ahead, Chairman, for yourself?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Even within counties there is a discrepancy with the subvention being paid to private nursing homes. I am just talking about Carlow and Kilkenny, which is one constituency, where different rates are being paid in different areas that are not far apart. I refer to the monthly subvention. How come one private nursing home is getting more per patient than another? That has been pointed out...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I understand that.

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