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Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: We have "might" and "may". When Mr. O'Brien gave evidence in February 2016 it was in the context of a general question by Deputies who were asking questions about what happened to the people who made these decisions and where they went afterwards. I have read the transcript and that was the general context. In that context, I am asking Mr. O'Brien the same question today because he has now...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The Chairman may make a ruling on this matter but I certainly believe it has not been helpful. I have not tried to identify anyone. I am simply-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Please, we are here today to clarify matters. It would be helpful, therefore, if Mr. O'Brien clarified matters. The reason he is back before the committee is because of the lack of clarification on the previous occasion or the inadvertent giving of the wrong information.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The questions were asked by the Chairman at the previous meeting with regard to what happened to the persons who made the decision to leave Grace in her home. That was the context.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Where did these people go and what happened in terms of whether they are still working for the public service? That is the context and Mr. O'Brien said all three that were in his head were not working for the public service. It turns out that not only is one of them still in the public service, but H6, who has been identified by the inquiry, is also in the public service. Mr. O'Brien is...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The word "sophistry" was used yesterday in the Dáil.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I do not like the use of the word "interrogation" in this context. The Chairman may have been making a general comment but I have been factual and asked factual questions. My final question concerns contact with the Garda. Mr. O'Brien stated contact was made on 24 February 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What triggered this contact? Mr. O'Brien stated the Health Service Executive triggered it.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The members are being rude. I cannot hear.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I was interrupted three times. Mr. O'Brien has clarified it. He states it was the health board.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That will tell Mr. O'Brien where I am, with the health board still in my head. Mr. O'Brien states it was the health executive. I put it to him that it followed on from a statement by Deputy McGuinness in the Dáil in relation to the situation. That simply requires a yes or a no.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Before 24 February.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien asked me when. I cannot go on. Sorry, was it 24 February?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It is on page 38 at paragraph 4.6.14.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Following on from that, I will ask Mr. O'Brien three or four questions. Was any special provision made for Grace after all this? Was any extra money, therapy or psychological help provided to her because of the trauma she had been through? Mr. O'Brien does not have to answer. He might tell me it is not relevant today.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I agree with that but that was not my question. My question was whether given what the HSE knew about what Grace had gone through when she was finally removed in 2009, anybody in the HSE said "Oh good Lord, good Jesus, we need to do something here. We need to provide extra care - extra help." It is a "yes" or "no" question.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am conscious that the Chairman will probably say it is outside of this so I will leave it at that. I am not sure what Deputy Kelly wants.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I cannot. It is very difficult. Perhaps it is because I am tired and we have been here since 9 a.m. I think the report was given to An Garda Síochána in July of the year in which it was finished. Is that correct?

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