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Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Nobody.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Please. I would like an update on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: To go back to dentists, I said earlier that the amount of spending in health is a serious concern. Mr. Mulvany has been in that chair for a long time. In case I made an error earlier, I wish to make a correction in relation to dental maxillofacial surgery. I said there were 161 children waiting for 60 months. There are actually 618 children waiting. I do not know how much it costs but if...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: This is the HSE, the orthodontic service and all of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is like saying we do not have a mechanic to fix a new car. What will we do, just leave it there? We talk about retention and recruitment every year. For many of these children there is no other way of doing this. It is not affordable unless they go through the National Treatment Purchase Fund, NTPF. How long does someone have to wait before being able to access the NTPF for these...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: How long had they been waiting before that happened?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Walsh is saying 1,500. There are 618 children waiting in Wexford alone.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: There have been 161 waiting for 60 months; 113 have been waiting for between 48 and 60 months; and 82 have been waiting between 36 and 48 months. This is cruel and if we do eventually sign up to the applicable section of the UN charter when it comes to children's rights, we will be sued left, right and centre for this type of delay. Is the HSE writing to any of these children? In the case...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Will Mr. Walsh come back and tell me how long these children have to wait before they can access the NTPF and how long they have to wait before they are sent to a private provider? It does not make much sense to me that, on the one hand, we are unable to get dentists into the dental treatment service scheme, DTSS, while, on the other hand, we are going to private providers for orthodontics...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is in terms of everything in the HSE. In terms of the €25 billion annually, is money being saved anywhere?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Will that just end up like the case of dentists with consultants no longer working for the HSE and going somewhere else?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am not sure the agency staff could be regarded as making savings. As Mr. Mulvany stated, it is more like the HSE did not spend the money.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: On warehousing, for how long has the HSE known that it must get rid of these goods?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: It has been too long, yes. I worked in logistics for years. If someone sends an email asking a question, they will get an answer. How long does it take the HSE to make a decision?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is a significant amount of money.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: If it was diverted into any of the services I have spoken about, it would probably solve some of the problems being experienced by 600-odd children. How long-----

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: Everything is money-related. If the HSE cannot recruit staff, it is not paying them enough. Do not be ridiculous. That is something that riles me. Everything is money-related.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: If we are not recruiting staff, we are obviously not offering the terms and conditions we should. In the same vein, it is money-related for the family who cannot afford to do it any other way. I want to ask one further question-----

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Verona Murphy: -----about the hacking.

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